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On 12 Apr 2001, at 10:53, Robin Faichney wrote:
> I'm starting a new thread here because I suspect Joe Dees hopes to
> quietly drop his claim that the tipping point phenomenon demonstrates
> "top-down causation", and I don't think he should be allowed to do so.
> C'mon Joe, are you going to provide a full explanation of how that
> works, or admit that it doesn't?? :-)
>
Au Contraire; although it is the simplest of analogies for a process
so complex as to be recursive (the emergent self), which a pile of
sand is not, the idea that the entire gestalt configuration of the pile
of sand is not reduceable to its components taken in isolation, but
must include their interrelations, and not just those immediately
contiguous to each grain, but globally, across the entire pile, is
essential to the explanation of what happens when the next grain
falls. None of the grains in isolation could explain that, nor could
all of them, minus their interactions, nor could all of them, if only
contiguous interactions are considered in isolation from the
dcomplex concatenation of relations and interrelations comprising
the gestalt integrity of the pile system. Next, you're gonna be
telling me that you can take the components of a TV apart and still
watch BBC. What happens to those signals depends upon a
global interrelation between those electronic components, and
changing even one of them can alter the system beyond the point
of signal receptivity.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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