Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA24547 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:00:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:35:57 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Determinism Message-ID: <20010412093557.A1323@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <3AD3B771.19846.95F427@localhost>; <20010411151340.A1232@reborntechnology.co.uk> <3AD4F065.10772.89E269@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3AD4F065.10772.89E269@localhost>; from joedees@bellsouth.net on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 12:01:41AM -0500 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 12:01:41AM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> On 11 Apr 2001, at 15:13, Robin Faichney wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:46:25AM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > On 9 Apr 2001, at 15:49, Robin Faichney wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 09,
> > 2001 at 03:59:38AM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > On 5 Apr
> > 2001, at 8:36, Robin Faichney wrote: > > > I don't think > > it's
> > entirely rational either, but you'll find there's > > quite a > >
> > widespread preference for objectivity over subjectivity. > > > Which >
> > > is quite strange, considering that objectivity is unattainable; >
> > the > > best we can do is intersubjective agreement. > > > > So that's
> > not your reason for rejecting subjective/objective > > compatibilism.
> > Interesting. > > > The entire idea that objectively we are
> > superdetermined marries a > conjecture with apodictically self-evident
> > experiential evidence > contradicting it to a nonexistent and
> > self-contradictory 'god's-eye > view".
> >
> > Leaving aside the grandiose jargonizing, I broadly agree. But this
> > puzzles me: do you think that "subjective/objective compatibilism"
> > implies "objectively we are superdetermined"?
> >
> Only if what is meant is that the hypothetical superdeterminism iss
> oehow more real, and the subjective and itersubjective experiental
> reality from which it, and idneed all ideas, are derived is thus maya.
And do you think that's what I mean?
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