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"Wade T.Smith" wrote:
>
> On 04/09/01 08:24, Chris Taylor said this-
>
> >I can't think of any part of that occurrence which could not
> >be explained by a (theoretical) being with perfect knowledge of the
> >state of all the matter and energy in that universe.
>
> And the ID people (intelligent design, AKA theists, AKA creationists),
> would use your inability not to think to bolster their specious claim of
> a non-evolutionary force. Of course, such a being would of necessity have
> to have some sort of existence, even a transcendental one, _outside_ of
> this universe, in which case they would have to posit the biverse such a
> symbiosis mandates.
But they're talking out of their arses. They're talking about designers;
I'm talking about rationalising 'random' outcomes by tracing back the
causation (in terms of momentums, positions etc.). We all know perfect
knowledge is impossible except for (a) a theoretical being or (b) a god.
What I'm pushing is cause and effect, which generates deterministic
outcomes, not some specious nth-generation theism.
God(...) forbid I should fuel their bloody pyre!
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