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From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
To: "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Determinism
> Hi Aaron Agassi -
>
> >> >Knowledge of the truth, however, is never certain.
> >>
> >> Ah, but 'knowledge of the truth', is, to me, science.
> >
> >Then your definitions, I hope, are provisional! Because Science is only
the
> >quest for truth. Knowledge, such as it is, the output there of.
> >
> >
> >>Mixing terms
> >> around, 'never certain' could easily be substituted for 'provisional'
in
> >> its "serving only for the time being" sense, thus, 'science, [however]
is
> >> provisional'....
> >
> >Science, yes, truth, no.
>
> I fail, here, to see where you disagree with me, although, for some
> reason, perhaps the cruel and relentless pressure we all give each other
> here, I thought you did....
>
> Sorting and juggling most all terms, we come up with 'knowledge of the
> truth is provisional' where we both reside, I strongly suspect, in
> languid commonality.
>
> The provisions of science, however, are filling and enduring, teaching us
> to fish, whereas the provisions of belief are wists in a fading morn,
> offering one in a basket.
>
> It is what is done with this knowledge, and how far it is allowed to go,
> that most concerns me in my day to day blinks at what's out there. Who
> calls the basket 'truth', and who crawls for bait.
>
> - Wade
>
Truth itself, be it known or unknown, cannot be provisional unless objective
reality is also provisional.
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