Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA25249 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:14:20 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c0bc77$1fa65b20$0307bed4@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <E14j0vU-000GsE-00@gaea> <002901c0bbb0$f2000660$b902bed4@default> <3AC8E1B1.33BCD878@clara.co.uk> Subject: Re: taboos Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:48:24 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Hi Douglas,
You wrote,
> Hi Kenneth, not sure if I'm clear on what you're saying. my point was
that if
> the intent of the ad was to make a person do something they would not do
of
> their own free will, it seems to follows that some kind of subversive of
free
> will is involved.
<< Yes, of course, but how in a subliminal way would we know if we
were to make do something we normally do not !?
We have to be open minded for the ad, no !?
So, if it was subliminal how would/ could it work !?
What would be the result and on the other hand IMo still, the free will is
excluded in such attempts_ your free will is indeed subverted, but you
don 't know do you !?
So, in other words, how would you know if your free will gets subverted
by some ads if those ads were presented to you in a subliminal way !?
There is a twist and turn here....!!
> One difference concerns a view of the state as protector that
> is a natural and spontaneous view for Europeans, but this view of the
state's
> role is controversial in common law systems.
<< That is maybe an argument that goes in a general way, but if we take
the Belgium situation in more detail, I think you have to reconsider your
ideas. Of course, this is a personal view but IMO a common one in Belgium.
The general view is that the state is not our protector, it tries to be, but
on
the contrary, the state works against us. All of the scandals, murders etc
did and does undermind the states power. That is why, IMO we the Belgium
people are all hyper- individualists in a certain way and on the other hand
very
modest, conservative, afraid, suspicious and underhanded. Of course, there
is a difference between the Flemish side and the French speaking half of
the country... and that can answer your second part concerning the cultural
attitude towards the nature of truth.( See below)
The Flemish side is catholic, conservative and right winged, the French
speaking half is social in nature and therefor more left winged, more open
but also more unquiet, more mischief makers,...at least the politicians.
And, IMO those two opposite belief systems play like you said a different
role towards truth and therefor the state 's truth.
And....not for nothing are " les compromis Belges " famous throughout the
world....even Canada have learned from us....Quebec, you know...
In addition, Vincent and I did have also a discussion about American
Nationalism, maybe you can have a peek there....
The second area concerns cultural attitudes towards the nature of truth as
manifested in the each legal system.
Hopes this helps,
Best regards,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are) far from the truth
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