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> Can I just say, in no way contributing to your discussion here, that today I
> had exactly this epxerience trying to get a bunch of journalism students to
> consider whether objectivity in journalism was even possible, in terms of
> whether or not 'facts' could ever be removed from our experience of them.
The more recent Gould anthology (of his essays) has a running theme of
ideas in context, as drawn from the available pool of social concepts
(to counter the 'olden days folks were dumb' thing) which is another
take on the same idea (perhaps this would be a good starting point for
that sort of discussion because its easier to pick apart subject and
observer).
As for the sunday school debate, I was educated at a full-on roman
catholic primary (elementary) school - therefore it was a subject just
like maths or english and I was indoctrinated whether I liked it or not,
and by the time I was self aware enough to reject it, I was moral (at
least that's my surmise of it). Sunday school is perhaps not a good
vehicle to achieve this sort of grounding. Also (as someone said) there
is always the risk that the rejection of religion means rejecting all
the values too (although I'm not sure that they're that closely linked -
parables are parables with or without Jesus being the son of a god).
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