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The eureka feeling of elation should come from the recognised consequences
of a discovery, not necessarily from the discovery itself. So, if it leads
to some way of alleviating even one of the world's ills, then that is what
should fill one with elation, and that is Enlightenment.... IMHO.
Vincent
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> From: LJayson@aol.com
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:52 pm
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: The Demise of a Meme
>
> Hi Vincent,
>
> You wrote:
> To me to be without dis-satisfaction is to not be human, and indeed is
> impossible, unless one choose to ignore social reality, which to my mind
> is
> the real goal of most meditative pratices- there's a good reason why
> monks,
> priests and nuns of all religions spend at least part of their time away
> from everyone else... so it's easier to forget that the world and it's
> problems.
>
> Enlightenment to me means trying to find effective ways of sovling those
> problems, not internalising them to the point where you don't care
> anymore,
> or can delude yourself that they don't exist (or that it's not your
> problem). Enlightenment in this sense is normally an unsatisfactory
> struggle throughout one's entire life as we reach realise our limitations
> and inadequacies, but the struggle is what it's all about, and sometimes,
> just on occasion through our collective efforts we achieve a small bit of
> progress.
>
> Vincent
>
>
> Is "enlightenment" the right word for this lifetime pursuit?
>
> Enlightenment a word that should evoke the Eureka response.
>
> There is nothing "Eureka" about the ills that trouble this
> planet. Starting the list with "global warming" and ending
> it with "mad cow disease," it is all fairly common knowledge.
>
> What to do about these problems? give donations, join
> organizations, petition govt officials, etc.
>
> Enlightenment??? Not sure where that concept applies.
>
> Len Jayson
>
>
>
>
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