Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA06495 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:03:44 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745D37@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: The Demise of a Meme Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:59:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Yes the Kant Socrates-pig remark. I'd forgotten that one. Exactly...
Vincent
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> On 29 Mar 2001, at 8:43, Wade T.Smith wrote:
>
> > On 03/29/01 08:17, Vincent Campbell said this-
> >
> > >To me to be without dis-satisfaction is to not be human
> >
> > Sounds very buddhist....
> >
> Sonds very Kantian; Kant said that he would rather be a Socrates
> unsatisfied than a satisfied pig.
> >
> > Suffering, according to the followers of Guatama, is, correct me if
> > I'm wrong, what we do here on this orb. And nirvana is the end of
> > this. Thus enlightenment, by strict buddhist doctrine, is the end of
> > suffering on this orb. Of course, we're supposed to endure this
> > suffering many times, reborning and reliving and relearning.
> >
> Actually, the various sectarian versions of enlightenment have a few
> common insights, such as:
> 1) Nirvana is Samsara: in other words, the personal acceptance of
> the wheel of birth and death and of one's place in it is its
> perspectival transcendence.
> 2) Sunyata is Tathata; in other words, emptiness is suchness, or
> to be emptied of one's cognitive preconceptions is to allow the
> unfettered suchness of one's environment to flow through one,
> freely and undistortedly.
> Tat Tvam Asi (That Thou Art"): this is J. Krishnamurti's statement
> You Are The World, meaning that the moving 'picture' of the world
> one receives through one's senses and retains in one's memory
> dynamically comprises one's evolving self-conception, and that the
> self-pole and world-pole are isomorphic and are correlatively
> constructed via experience.
> >
> > Anyway, is not unenlightenment (logically equivalent to suffering)
> > also 'not-knowing'? And, since we've found, through many reborns and
> > relearnings and relivings, that science is the best (perhaps only) way
> > to _know_, is it not logical to pursue the enlightenment of science?
> >
> The overcoming of ignorance is both a Buddhist and a scientific
> objective.
> >
> > Looks like a bet to me.
> >
> > - Wade
> >
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