RE: The Demise of a Meme

From: Vincent Campbell (v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk)
Date: Fri Mar 30 2001 - 10:59:35 BST

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    From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
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    Yes the Kant Socrates-pig remark. I'd forgotten that one. Exactly...

    Vincent

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    > From: joedees@bellsouth.net
    > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:37 am
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    > Subject: RE: The Demise of a Meme
    >
    > On 29 Mar 2001, at 8:43, Wade T.Smith wrote:
    >
    > > On 03/29/01 08:17, Vincent Campbell said this-
    > >
    > > >To me to be without dis-satisfaction is to not be human
    > >
    > > Sounds very buddhist....
    > >
    > Sonds very Kantian; Kant said that he would rather be a Socrates
    > unsatisfied than a satisfied pig.
    > >
    > > Suffering, according to the followers of Guatama, is, correct me if
    > > I'm wrong, what we do here on this orb. And nirvana is the end of
    > > this. Thus enlightenment, by strict buddhist doctrine, is the end of
    > > suffering on this orb. Of course, we're supposed to endure this
    > > suffering many times, reborning and reliving and relearning.
    > >
    > Actually, the various sectarian versions of enlightenment have a few
    > common insights, such as:
    > 1) Nirvana is Samsara: in other words, the personal acceptance of
    > the wheel of birth and death and of one's place in it is its
    > perspectival transcendence.
    > 2) Sunyata is Tathata; in other words, emptiness is suchness, or
    > to be emptied of one's cognitive preconceptions is to allow the
    > unfettered suchness of one's environment to flow through one,
    > freely and undistortedly.
    > Tat Tvam Asi (That Thou Art"): this is J. Krishnamurti's statement
    > You Are The World, meaning that the moving 'picture' of the world
    > one receives through one's senses and retains in one's memory
    > dynamically comprises one's evolving self-conception, and that the
    > self-pole and world-pole are isomorphic and are correlatively
    > constructed via experience.
    > >
    > > Anyway, is not unenlightenment (logically equivalent to suffering)
    > > also 'not-knowing'? And, since we've found, through many reborns and
    > > relearnings and relivings, that science is the best (perhaps only) way
    > > to _know_, is it not logical to pursue the enlightenment of science?
    > >
    > The overcoming of ignorance is both a Buddhist and a scientific
    > objective.
    > >
    > > Looks like a bet to me.
    > >
    > > - Wade
    > >
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