Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA04501 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:17:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:13:13 -0800 Message-Id: <200103300013.QAA12658@mail16.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [216.76.255.70] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Memetic Paradigms Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:38:23 +0100
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Memetic Paradigms
>From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:38:25PM -0600, joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> They are not isolable atoms, like genes,
>> because their existence includes their relations; memes
>> necessarily relate to other memes, and these relations is part and
>> parcel of what constitutes the significances of the memes.
>
>Genes, generally, are highly interdependent too. What proportion
>of our genes, do you think, is *directly* concerned with replicating
>itself, rather than supporting a cluster, for which a few will
>arrange the replication of all?
>
None, actually. Since genes lack subjectivity, they cannot be said to be concerned with anything. The point is that the A G C and T of which genes are comprised are kinda like the letters of the alphabet, or better yet, phonemes; which are combined to represent meanings (words, but even more basic, morphemes), but in and of themselves, they are meaningless. A multiplicity of components are required to configure into an informational pattern. Certain traits that are distinguishable, yet cannot stand on their own separate from others, such as furred-ness, feathered-ness, bipedality, quadrapedality, etc., are comparable to morphemes such as -s or -es for pluralization (or silent, in some cases, like deer), or other prefixes, suffixes and roots (anti-, con- -tion, etc.). They, in turn, are comprised of gene clusters, where specific genes can only perform a function in the context of the gestalt of the cluster, just as phonemes symbolize nothing (except in the cases where a mo!
rpheme is comprised of a single phoneme, and perhaps there are gene - gene-cluster analogies here, too) but tepresent the smallest atom of auditorily detectable and palate-constructable speech differentiation from other phonemes, just as the gene elements A G C and T represent the smallest atoms of chromosome differentiation.
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