Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id TAA08002 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:03:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:19:21 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Demise of a Meme Message-ID: <20010327181921.A684@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <20010326190342.AAA27691@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]> <20010327101930.C581@reborntechnology.co.uk> <3AC065AB.3C6E4077@bioinf.man.ac.uk> <20010327113610.A1417@reborntechnology.co.uk> <3AC097A3.6CAB527B@bioinf.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3AC097A3.6CAB527B@bioinf.man.ac.uk>; from Christopher.Taylor@man.ac.uk on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 02:37:39PM +0100 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 02:37:39PM +0100, Chris Taylor wrote:
> > > [1] I use the term differently (to some) because I don't *require*
> > > interpersonal transfer to define a meme, I like to think of it more as a
> > > word like 'organism'.
>
> > This reminds me of something on the list a little while back that I didn't
> > agree with -- it went a little too far regarding inclusiveness -- but
> > I don't know if that was your's or not. Maybe if you said a little more?
>
> I think that was me (therefore I think that I was me)(?)(sorry).
>
> Anyway...
>
> If you 'decompose' a mind, the pieces will be memes, just as if you
> decompose an ecosystem, the players will be organisms. This is still by
> analogy rather than a direct parallel in all senses, but it captures the
> essential nature of it. I personally find a mind much easier to evolve
> by increasing the complexity of the meme ecology than by developing some
> sort of mind-thing (which requires one to posit a hopeful monster style
> macromutation, whereas the meme ecology version makes it fairly
> straightforward to move from anything that can learn, by degrees, to
> us).
Have you read Dennett's Darwin's Dangerous Idea? If not, I really think
you should.
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