Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id TAA03558 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:37:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:03:59 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Demise of a Meme Message-ID: <20010326190359.C835@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745D1A@inchna.stir.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745D1A@inchna.stir.ac.uk>; from v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk on Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 05:01:08PM +0100 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 05:01:08PM +0100, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> <No Wade, that's not your universe, it's how you see "the other
> one".
> > In your's, science is good and non-science bad.
> >
> > In other words, still moralistic claptrap, but the other way up.>
> >
> But surely you have to occupy one position or the other?
Not really, no. Pragmatism is infinitely superior to dogmatism of
whatever colour.
> That is if you want to remain a social being, engaging in activities with
> other humans, you have to acknowledge the importance of value judgement and
> develop some effective system of arbitration between competing viewpoints.
Not at this level of generalisation. Specifics are required. This is just
waffle.
> Otherwise you end up either in a fence-sitting position refusing to judge
> anything, and thus unable to act, or you must end up with a cultural
> relativism where anything goes, and everything is of equal merit- whether
> that be meditation or mass human sacrifice.
Maybe you could explain how such laudable values (or any others) can be
derived from science.
> I'm on the side of the fence with Wade, where the grass may not be as green,
> but at least it's real.
"Reality" is one of the slippiest concepts in regular use. Your use of
it here is entirely meaningless.
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