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On 21 Mar 2001, at 10:30, Brent Silby wrote:
> Richard Brodie wrote: "Science is most certainly not memeless. It is a
> set of carefully crafted memes designed to produce reliable knowledge
> and theories through observation and hypothesis. "
>
> Crafted? I'm not sure if that is the best word to use, as it implies
> purposive design. But, of course, scientific memes were not
> "designed", they are the result of natural memetic selection. It is
> accidental that science, or any other memeplex, is comprised of its
> collection of memes. It could have been a lot different -- in fact it
> has been during certain periods of history. Its just that science's
> current range of memes happen to be more successful self-replicators
> than some of their competing memes.
>
Science is the prime example of a discipline that, as far as its
content goes, not only explicitly embraces selection, but also has
enshrined verisimilitude, or correspondence with observed reality,
as the prime determinant of fitness.
> Brent.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Brodie
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:00 AM
> Subject: RE: The Demise of a Meme
>
>
> Science is most certainly not memeless. It is a set of carefully
> crafted memes designed to produce reliable knowledge and theories
> through observation and hypothesis. People have died to propagate
> the memes of science.
>
> Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com www.memecentral.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On
> Behalf Of Wade T.Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:23 PM To:
> memetics list Subject: Re: The Demise of a Meme
>
> On 03/20/01 13:21, Tim Rhodes said this-
>
> >Thus proving that Wade will forever remain blind to the shamans of
> >science itself, locked as he is in their worship and magical
> dances. >;-) > >-Tim
>
> Oh, Timmy, Timmy....
>
> I dance, yes, but, science is without shamans.
>
> Science is the memeless observation of nature, not the local dance
> party for the rain gods.
>
> But I'm happy to dance at another party.
>
> - Wade
>
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