Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id KAA26513 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:44:02 GMT Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745CC7@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Witness Tells of Taliban Attack on Ancient Buddha Relics Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:40:30 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
I see your line of argument here Robin, and I agree we shouldn't get off
track, but isn't there still a bone of contention as to what constitutes a
meme in the first place, and thus perhaps people post situations/events
looking for comments from others as to whether or not they count as
candidates for memes. Surely the point here would be that the symbolic
threat of these statues to the Taliban's draconian regime could also be
regarded as memetic.
Either that or Wade was just on a wind-up mission for the pro-buddhists on
the list...
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Robin Faichney
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2001 8:25 am
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Witness Tells of Taliban Attack on Ancient Buddha Relics
>
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 03:33:35PM -0500, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> > >what is specifically memetic about this issue? Why did Wade post that
> message?
> >
> > Maybe I'm lost, but what the hell is specifically non-memetic about it?
>
> It doesn't mention memes.
>
> > Making pronouncements about icons is not only decidedly cultural, but
> > using force to dismiss ideas and religions is absolutely memetic- it is
> > memetic engineering brought to its brutal and inevitable conclusion-
> > ensuring the presence of only one mode of thought.
> >
> > Since when ain't tyranny memetic?
>
> Since when is tyranny any more memetic than "tunes, ideas, catch-phrases,
> clothes fashions, ways of making pots or of building arches"? Should
> all these be considered on-topic here too? Along with all of US and UK
> politics, advertising, etc, etc, etc? I say, examples of memes in action
> are only on-topic if accompanied by an explicitly memetic commentary.
>
> --
> Robin Faichney
> robin@reborntechnology.co.uk
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