Re: Darwinian evolution vs memetic evolution

From: Bill Spight (bspight@pacbell.net)
Date: Thu Feb 15 2001 - 03:52:36 GMT

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    From: Bill Spight <bspight@pacbell.net>
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    Dear Wade,

    > How is memetic fit defined? What is the environment that it
    > (whatever it is) needs to 'fit' into? How is this not a chicken/egg
    > question?

    Aren't these the same questions genetic evolution faces? :-)

    I remember debating a creationist in the 80s. His claim that
    evolutionary fitness is circularly defined is not easy to refute. And in
    practice, we cannot always predict fitness beforehand. Also, in an
    interdependent system of genes, chicken/egg questions cannot always be
    resolved. Everything hangs together, and information about origins is
    obscure.

    As for the environment of memes, I define a class of memes as
    situation-action pairs. These are human actions in human environments
    (environments for the humans). Human society is the environment of
    memes. Do memes form part of that environment? Sure. But again, that is
    not a special characteristic of memes. Genes form part of the
    environment of genes, as well.

    Best,

    Bill

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