Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA18243 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:44:38 GMT From: <joedees@bellsouth.net> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:47:05 -0600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Darwinian evolution vs memetic evolution Message-ID: <3A800E69.5619.3D9E71E@localhost> In-reply-to: <20010206201930.AAA26156@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On 6 Feb 2001, at 15:20, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> On 02/06/01 14:09, joedees@bellsouth.net said this-
>
> > We imperfectly yet pretty well can filter the
> >virulents from the symbionts once we have a modicum of
> >experience in the world and learn the Bad Tricks (with apologies to
> >Daniel Dennett), which is why so many memeplexes, particularly
> >religious, political, racial, and gender biases and prejudices, have
> >evolved subcomponents which influence parents to infect their kids
> >before resistance can set in.
>
> It is this 'modicum of experience in the world' and 'before resistance
> can set in' which are the social substrates of freedom.
>
> Freedom is a societal and developmental condition- otherwise, all
> things are free. (Although, as B. Dylan would remind us, birds are
> never free from the skyway.)
>
> And no, not only collegians are so blessed- but the fact that they are
> in college is a rare and special event in the history of this world,
> wherein they may get this modicum of experience.
>
> There are precious few children given these opportunities.
>
Yeah, college attenders get the chance to become useful
(translation employable) by actively campaigning to canalize their
cortical plasticity in ways that place them in demand by society.
This is one of the problems Marx had with his levelling of the value
of all work. Not all work is equal, from the standpint of their
prerquisite existential sacrifices. Some jobs require a huge
investment in time and money to learn and train before they can be
competently performed. Ths sort of thing must be compensated
for; few people would be crazy to spend 12 years to become a
doctor when a toll-booth ticket-taker would be able to make the
same salary for twelve years longer without buying all that medical
stuff.
>
> - Wade
>
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