Re: Evolution of ontogeny

From: Scott Chase (ecphoric@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Feb 04 2001 - 20:44:49 GMT

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    >From: Mark Mills <mmills@htcomp.net>
    >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >Subject: Evolution of ontogeny
    >Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 14:05:18 -0600
    >
    >Getting back to Schlighting's classification scheme for phenotypic
    >plasticity factors:
    >1.genotype
    >2.ontogeny
    >3. environment
    >
    >There seems to be agreement that the 'genotype' evolves (classic definition
    >of evolution is 'the change in gene pools'). What about 'ontogeny' and
    >'environment'?
    >
    >Memetics hopes to provide a framework for cultural evolution, so is it fair
    >to say most here think the environment evolves?
    >
    >What about ontogeny (the development cycle)? Does it evolve? The
    >neural-meme may be an ontogenetic feature or developmental structure. Do
    >these evolve?
    >
    The late 19th century incarnations of the relationship between ontogeny and
    phylogeny were usually influenced by the German Darwinian hyperzealot Ernst
    Haeckel and his slogan that "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" which in a
    nutshell means that in their development organisms literally proceed through
    stages pretty close to their adult ancestors. One could think of humans
    starting a protozoans then becoming spongelike or worm-like then somewhere
    along the line becoming fish-like and so on until reaching human-hood.
    Related to Haeckel's notion paralleling ontogeny and phylogeny is a causal
    statement that phylogeny causes ontogeny.

    I think it was Walter Garstang who was noted for turning Haeckel's dictum on
    its ear and saying the opposite that ontogeny causes phylogeny or that
    ontogeny creates phylogeny. Garstang was interested in phenomena that didn't
    reek of recapitulation (ie- neoteny and paedomorphosis).

    One could confine a definition of evolution to organisms that develop
    (ie-exhibit an ontogeny-metazoans and possibly metaphytes) by saying that
    evolution is based on heritable changes in development, which isn't too far
    from what you're talking about above. This would be indirectly related to
    evolution's definition of being changes in allelic frequencies within a gene
    pool or population. I have tended to prefer an epigenetic view myself, not
    quite one of those "beads on a string" or "bean bag genetics" thingies.

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