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On 1 Feb 2001, at 11:53, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> >> All sorts of processes both external and internal go into
> audience
> > >> decoding of media content, so much so that I just don't see how
> > >> what apparently exists in one mind can appear in another mind
> > >> (let alone
> > millions
> > >> of others) in exactly the same form as in the original mind.
> >
> <But I don't think anyone is saying it's in exactly the same form.>
>
> Ok, but this is one of the problems I have with the meme in mind
> idea, as I'm not sure how the meme in mind is actually seen.
>
> The notion of the meme involves, as far as I understand it, a
> particular configuration of information that induces it to be
> expressed (by the person it originates in) and then imitated by people
> exposed to its expression. But in order for it to be then passed on
> to others from those first infected people, surely the configuration
> must be retained in order for it to induce expression in those people,
> and then imitation in others, and so on?
>
> We're talking about a particular kind of information that induces
> particular kinds of behaviours, surely there must be some consistency
> of form or pattern in order for it to be transmissable across many
> generations of hosts?
>
> Vincent
>
transmitted ideas mean something a bit different for the recipients
than they do for the transmitters because the context to which they
must relate themselves - the existing gestalt - differs some for each
brain. They are similar enough to allow for behavior to be to some
degree reproduced due to the fact that we share certain ground
conditions - perception, symbolicity, our somatic existence among
others upon a common earth, and so on.
>
>
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