Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id IAA28285 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:04:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.231] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: ....and the beat goes on and on and on... Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 03:01:32 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F53LAPDVXLuSbh29cM300004343@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2001 08:01:32.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[07AD5620:01C086A5] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: "Chris Lofting" <ddiamond@ozemail.com.au>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
>Subject: RE: ....and the beat goes on and on and on...
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:41:29 +1100
>
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>
>I suggest you slowly work you way through the recursive dichotomisation
>process as well as the development process I have discussed in the past re
>archetypal-to-typal and the TRANSFORMATIONS at the typal into more
>archeypal
>etc all says EXACTLY what the above quote is TRYING to see with obviously
>no
>knowledge on HOW 'in here' works. I can 'see' the template working on him.
>
>
What do you mean by the term "archetypal"? Would your definition come close
to that of someone I think hits it on the head when he (Charles Darwin from
the glossary of _The Origin of Species_) defines archetypal as follows:
"(o)f or belonging to the Archetype, or ideal primitive form upon which all
the beings of a group seem to be organised." The concept of homology is
allied to the archetype of Darwin's definition.
If you are OTOH referring to the primordial aspect of motifs in myths,
dreams, hallucinations and the like, this too may reflect common ancestry or
homology shared across groups, though I'm not confident that this sense of
"archetypal" has much going for it.
I'm really interested in seeing how you might relate something archetypal to
a developmental process [he hears groans from the peanut gallery]. And what
of the form versus content issue?
I've been fascinated by the conceptual relation between the archetype and
whatever ectypes it may spin off. Are ectypes kinda like Xerox copies or
imperfect representations of an archetype? Would this be like a die versus
the coin produced?
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