RE: ....and the beat goes on and on and on...

From: Chris Lofting (ddiamond@ozemail.com.au)
Date: Tue Jan 23 2001 - 14:59:23 GMT

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From: "Chris Lofting" <ddiamond@ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: ....and the beat goes on and on and on...
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:59:23 +1100
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    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
    > Of Aaron Agassi
    > Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2001 1:13
    > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > Subject: Re: ....and the beat goes on and on and on...
    >
    <snip>

    > The bottom line is that I don't like the feeling I get from your writing
    > style, Chris, which dangles on the synapse, until, if all, the expression
    > completes, and may or may not resolve into intelligibility. And I
    > heartilly
    > resent you inconsideration to the reader. And I wish that you would be
    > willing to encode some basics of writing style onto your pathways.
    >

    Ok. then dont read it. :-)

    <snip>
    > >The interest is in all the expressions that elicit
    > > those feelings.
    > >
    > YOUR interest, Chris.
    >
    >

    yes Aaron. MY interest. And that includes concepts as memetics etc etc do
    you think people join lists to NOT discuss their interests? hmmm.. perhaps
    if they are depressed, need some stirring :-)

    <snip>
    > > The cognitive analysis shows a sense of 'truth' as a feeling
    > derived from
    > > territorial mapping.
    >
    > What the fuck is 'truth' in quotes? Yes, my foul language communicates my
    > feeling of irritation! But I would still mantain that what is
    > central is the
    > conceptual and Logical content. Alas, none clear from you, Chris.
    >

    'truth' is a variable term, diffuse, not ontologically precise.

    > Perhaps you speak not of truth, but clarity or even knowledge,

    umm... yes that could fit 'truth' -- clarity, a feeling of precision but
    'matter of fact', nothing 'heavy' about it.

    > arising when
    > the map is true (in correspondence to reality). The security and
    > satisfaction arising from successful error checking.
    >
    >
    > >There is nothing 'mystical' about truth and its source
    > > despite how hard some of you seem to be looking.
    >
    > Or how hard you seem to be dodging, Chris!
    >
    > >
    > > The template based on what/where processing is a 'truth' or more so a
    > 'fact'
    >
    > I avoid using the word 'fact', because I do not know what the
    > word means. I
    > am not at all clear, in common usage, whether facts are truths (defined as
    > correspondences with reality, NOT any other [ab]usage of the word 'truth),
    > knowledge, or data sets.
    >

    howabout 'fact' - no 'deep' implications. 'truth' - implications.

    > > and it is fundamental. It points to answering questions about
    > our METHODS
    > of
    > > analysis and that includes our understanding of what a 'truth' is. BUT
    > this
    > > is all cognitive stuff, BEHIND the expressions.
    >
    > I still do not grok your loose [ab]usage of the word 'behind',
    > Chris. I wish
    > that you'd trouble to spell out what you mean. But I know that you will
    > passively refuse.
    >

    I just gave some details to Vincent so read that...

    Thanks for the note, a fun read :-) I have often commented on the lack of
    articulation in my writing style, you are not telling me anything new... I
    keep practicing -- perseverence furthers :-)

    best

    Chris.
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