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> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of William Benzon
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2001 4:40
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: ....and the beat goes on and on and on...
>
>
> on 1/22/01 9:27 AM, Wade T.Smith at wade_smith@harvard.edu wrote:
>
> > On 01/22/01 08:08, Joe E. Dees said this-
> >
> >> I was
> >> correct when I branded you as an unthinking zombic memebot of
> >> the lowest order, in cognitive thrall to pernicious error.
> >
> > Hell, nobody's perfect.
> >
> > IMHO, Chris is an (archetypal) astrologer, and everything he says will
> > work in the proper context and setting, there being a very nice mix of
> > generality and specificity to all of it.
> >
> > I'm willing to enjoy what I see probable about it all.
> >
> > But, in the wider cases of Theories of Everything, how many wrongs do
> > make a right?
> >
>
> Such theories come in two flavors: Those that achieve generality
> by ignoring
> details and those that achieve it by paying close attention to novel
> patterns of detail. The former are worthless, the latter are valuable.
>
damn right. The problem is that once you have been through the detail it is
hard to communicate to those who have not or dont want to.
Imagine the 'problem' for Joe when he realises (if ever) how it is that
Astrology is believed at a base level since it develops from fundamental
metaphorcations of fundamental meanings. It is a metaphor and a good one in
that it is founded on dichotomisation, as is maths, physics etc etc Problems
arise when these disciplines are taken too literally; pure mathematics can
relate to total illusion but it is 'respected'. Astrology can relate to REAL
social processes but because the literal-minded cannot identify the metaphor
so it is 'rubbished'.
It is the relational emphasis that Astrology, Tarot, etc etc capture in
their symbolisms, the underlying generallty invarient patterns of emotions
etc., something many 'scientists' seem to have a problem with. This realm is
REAL, most of the planet's population live in it and so it warrents analysis
in the context of understanding our species and since it can lack obvious
logic when viewed from the outside so we have to use a cognitive analysis
and that points to a species-wide analysis and that is where the template
comes in.
An intersting 'discovery' lately has been that the zebrafish has left/right
hemisphere processing like we do i.e. KNOWN (left bias) vs UNKNOWN (right
bias) IOW these patterns are possibly in fundamental neurology PRE
amphibians/reptiles development.
(oops almost forgot the ref: Liang, J.O. et al (2000) Asymmetric nodal
signaling in the zebrafish diencephalon positions the pineal organ "
Development 127, 5101-5112)
Chris.
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