Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id JAA11673 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:22:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.240.220.143] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: phenotypic plasticity and ontogeny Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 04:19:33 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F1779L7dAv2v5jjacuy00003435@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2001 09:19:33.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[446CAEC0:01C0838B] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: "Joe E. Dees" <joedees@bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: phenotypic plasticity and ontogeny
>Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:06:05 -0600
>
>Subject: Re: phenotypic plasticity and ontogeny
>Date sent: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:26:32 -0500
>From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
>To: "Memetics Discussion List" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
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> > Hi Joe E. Dees --
> >
> > >> Does that sound enough like memetic sex for you?
> > >>
> > >The propagators or distributors (disSEMINators) of memes could
> > >be viewed to be the 'male' side, and those prospective candidate
> > >recipients who select, for whatever reason, to accept or reject them
> > >could be viewed as the 'female' side.
> >
> > Any reason for the femaleness in reference to memes, uh, at all? Not
>that
> > I dislike taking sides, I'm usually for the underdog in all contests,
> > and, not to undermine the dichotomous level of the whole yin/yang thing,
> > but, I'm more and more not seeing any reason to give anything but 'male'
> > properties to memes, which I also now see as not being needed _at all_
>on
> > the receiving end. The memetic action is the insertion of the unit of
> > self, and the meme (-plex) is the special cultural meaning given to the
> > unit by the behavior. That the unit projected by the meme is
> > taken/received/birthed at all is a function not of a memetic co-process,
> > but of self-burdened human nature as it is and as it is environed.
> >
>Meme as sperm, ayy? That's why I highlighted disSEMINate. But
>I was speaking of the roles of propagator and recipient; clearly
>there is a yang/yin complementarity there. However, as regards
>the meme, what's IN sperm? Why, GENES, of course. In sexual
>coition, some of the genes from one person are, if they are
>favorably received, placed in the other person, where they combine
>with some of the genes from the other to create a new entity. In
>memetic transfer, some of the memes from one person are
>communicated to another, and if they are favorably received, they
>become part of the memeplexure (all the memes and memeplexes)
>of the recipient, and adapt and are adapted to fit a niche within that
>gestalt, by means of mutual accommodation and assimilation to
>modify an already existing entity.
>
>
And what of memetic correspondences to lingam and yoni? Are the organs of
expression the "male part" kinda like a stamen or penis and the organs or
reception kinda like a pistil or vagina? The little memetic pollen gets
brushed onto the memetic stigma and presto...
Are memetic organisms monoecious or dioecious? Why rule out hermaphroditism
or androgyny?
Perhaps self-fertilization is a possibility. Could I impregnate myself with
an ideational grain of pollen of my own creation and perhaps even serve as
my own midwife? I think I'm actually doing that right now, but the pollen
I'm spreading on my own stigmae is possibly pollinating the flowers of many
others as a byproduct. Shall I now reap what I sow? Hopefully it's a good
harvest, considering the intellectual drought and all.
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