Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA16165 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:33:41 GMT Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745BCB@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: DNA Culture .... Trivia? Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:32:12 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
I'm aware, and have said before, that science can't really answer 'why'
questions, so that was a mistake. I guess it was prompted by Bill's
implication that other disciplines have the answers that memetics seeks.
Those answers, are indeed answers to 'how' questions.
Quite what your website page had to do with Joe's forwarded piece about
qubits, I couldn't fathom.
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Chris Lofting
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:34 pm
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: DNA Culture .... Trivia?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> > Of Vincent Campbell
> > Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2001 3:30
> > To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
> > Subject: RE: DNA Culture .... Trivia?
> >
> >
> > So why is religion so widespread? And, more particulary, why are
> > some religions significantly more widespread than others? Why do people
> > follow one religion over another? Why do people persistently engage in
> > practices which they can often be consciously aware of as being
> > irrational,
> > e.g. reading one's horoscope? Why do people engage in practices that
> seem
> > antithetical to adaptive behaviour e.g. giving up your child or
> > yourself for
> > sacrifice, or celibacy?
> >
>
> sense of value (but then ask 'why' and that is all you will get --
> 'because'...)
>
>
> > Tell me what disciplines have unequivocally answered such questions,
> > and what the answers are, and we can all go home and put our feet up.
> >
>
> I can give you hows, will that help? :-) ..but then you will have to read
> things slowly, 'in depth', many many times and perhaps that is too much
> for
> lists?
>
> BTW I sent in a link to a paper in response to one of Joes recent emails
> re
> quantu mechanics etc did you read the paper? did you understand it if you
> did read it? what did you understand?
>
> In the context of your above questions, go and read it and THINK about
> what
> it says re 'ideal forms', resonances etc., etc.. see
> http://www.eisa.net.au/~lofting/stegan.html
>
> Note that the root is cellular automata -- discrete emphasis, VERY
> either/or
> at the local level and gets into complexity but retains the
> either/or-ness.
> The oscillations process reflects our mind at work and out of that comes
> all
> sorts of things :-)
>
> This CA sort of behaviour is reflected in us in our object-biased (i.e.
> discrete) modes of analysis; IOW the act of applying anything to itself
> can
> bring out what can be interpreted as archetypal forms and if you do not
> know
> the sources of those forms then they can easly lead to religious concepts
> based on ignorance.
>
> In your questions change the 'why' to 'how' and from that you may start to
> get answers, otherwise all you get is 'because'. The task of information
> gathering does not include 'why' since what you seek is BEHIND the
> expression not the expression itself, you dont want the value judgement
> but
> more the processes that led to it.
>
> best,
>
> Chris.
> ------------------
> Chris Lofting
> websites:
> http://www.eisa.net.au/~lofting
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond
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