Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id PAA21988 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:26:19 GMT Message-ID: <004d01c0643b$7ccafde0$dd63b8d0@default> From: "Lawrence de Bivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <20001212104525.A350@reborntechnology.co.uk> Subject: Re: Self-defense Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:59:33 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Greetings, Robin
In the self-profiling drills that we've done, we have found that people can
minimize the 'defensive' aspect of their self-representation if the context
in which they are profiling themselves is non-threatening or in which their
social status is not at stake.
What is more difficult is the ability of an individual to 'know' himself AND
self-profiling technique, (if only the profiling taxonomy) at the same time.
We have not figured out a solution to this that works particularly well, and
so still focus on elicitation of a person's profile by another (trained)
person. We have developed prototype automated profiling but it is not yet as
elegant as I would like. The substantive limitations of doing it with
computer mediation seems matched by the substantive limits of a trained but
average-skilled elicitor.
- Lawrence
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:45 AM
Subject: Self-defense
> I find the possibility of a memetic analysis of the self quite
> fascinating, but there's a problem.
>
> Is there anyone here who can clearly distinguish between defending
> the self and defending themselves? Who can argue for a more than
> merely memetic self without taking the counter argument personally?
> Who does not feel at all threatened by it, being motivated entirely by
> a desire for truth? All those I've found willing to defend the self
> make it very obvious, in their emotional tone, that they feel they're
> defending themselves.
>
> Or is that inevitable? Is the distinction I'm drawing here valid,
> or is any defense of the self necessarily motivated by emotion?
> Is the self an irreducibly emotional entity?
>
> --
> Robin Faichney
> robin@reborntechnology.co.uk
>
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