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If I may interject, I think the idea that a Declaration of Independence was
signed in your country on a certain date was transmitted. Whether I choose
to believe that it happened is another matter.
On the other hand, perhaps "peer pressure" is an example about how beliefs,
as well as ideas, may be transmitted. What do you think?
Lloyd
At 09:16 AM 08/12/00 -0800, Richard Brodie wrote:
>Do you believe that the Declaration of Independence was signed on July 4,
>1776?
>
>Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com www.liontales.com
>
>
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>Vincent Campbell
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>
> <So you're making the absurd claim that every human being figures
>out every
>> idea for himself without the aid of any other human beings?>
>>
> Not at all, but there's a qualitative difference between an idea and
>a belief. I agree with the notion that ideas transmit, but not that beliefs
>transmit. Creationists are aware of the idea of natural selection, but they
>don't believe it. Most evolutionary biologists are aware of religious ideas
>of creation, but don't believe them. The ideas have transmitted, the
>beliefs haven't.
>
> Beliefs are psychological/emotional responses to units of
>information, ideas are units of information. You can write down the theory
>of natural selection- write down Bhuddist belief.
>
> Vincent
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