Re: Defining and moving on

From: Tim Rhodes (proftim@speakeasy.org)
Date: Thu Oct 26 2000 - 21:53:46 BST

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    William Benzon wrote:

    <<<Well, I do think you're somewhat right in this. For a number of you
    it's just a matter of terminological squabbles with no really
    substantive differences. However your A, B, C below is not at all
    adequate to my conception of these matters, no matter what terms you
    use.>>>

    So add more! No one said the list was complete or all inclusive. It's
    just a starting point. Build upon it!

    Tim:
    > So here's a start, I call:
    >
    > A) the external vehicle by which memetic information is passed: the
    > G-meme.
    > B) the internal information necessary for propagating the cultural
    > information: the L-meme.
    > C) the combination of internal and external that results in
    > replication: the meme

    Bill:
    <<<There's nothing in here that corresponds to the cultural correlate of
    the biological species, and nothing really that corrsponds to the
    environment in which species must compete for survival. As far as I'm
    concerned, without those entities in your model, it's an absolute
    non-starter.>>>

    So, add a (D), (E), (F), (G), etc.

    Sheesh, do I have to do all the thinking for you, Bill?? :-)

    <<<Therefore, from my POV any and all discussion toward straightening
    out the terms for that set of items is just a waste of time.>>>

    Whose the one wasting time now? If you really want _this_ discussion to
    move forward you may need to get out and help push as well.

    Pointing out problems is a very useful and necessary skill. But coming
    up with and offering solutions is a much more valuable talent.

    -Tim Rhodes

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