Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id JAA02566 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:04:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:47:19 +0100 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: mysticism etc Message-ID: <20000926084719.A1136@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <20000926015757.AAA11932@camailp.harvard.edu@[204.96.32.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000926015757.AAA11932@camailp.harvard.edu@[204.96.32.101]>; from wade_smith@harvard.edu on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 09:57:59PM -0400 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 09:57:59PM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> Hi Robin Faichney --
>
> >I've never heard or read anyone claim to have "felt" the consciousness
> >of the universe. You persist in your delusion that you and the universe
> >are two different things. The insight is that there's no good reason to
> >take that view. If you're conscious, the universe is conscious.
>
> If you, as you say, accept this - 2. A belief in the existence of
> realities beyond perceptual or intellectual apprehension that are central
> to being and directly accessible by subjective experience.
No, I rejected that one, explaining I had a problem both with "intellectual
apprehension" and the distinction between perceptual apprehension and
subjective experience. Regarding this same definition, you also
accused me of rejecting "subjective experience", which I never did.
> - then -
>
> If "beyond perceptual or intellectual apprehension" is not 'felt' than,
> please, let me know what it is.
>
> >If you're conscious, the universe is conscious.
>
> Again, show me the EEG of the universe, and I'll show you mine. I've got
> mine right here.
>
> >You persist in your delusion that you and the universe
> >are two different things.
>
> Sez who?
Sez you, if you say your EEG does not belong to the universe.
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