Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id EAA27799 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:22:31 +0100 Message-Id: <200009170320.XAA03195@mail0.lig.bellsouth.net> From: "Joe E. Dees" <joedees@bellsouth.net> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:24:35 -0500 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Purported mystical "knowledge" In-reply-to: <39C436D2.2606B8B5@fcol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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From: "Robert (Bob) Grimes" <grimes@fcol.com>
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To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Purported mystical "knowledge"
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> Lloyd,
>
> I have no problem with what I think you mean as I do believe that our
> concepts of "reality" are abstractions as are all of our senses. Thus,
> we do not "know" reality and cannot "know" reality as long as our
> perceptions are determined by our sensory systems. We can augment our
> perceptions through enlargement (magnification) and other things but we
> are still "filtering" everything we receive and if our sensory organs do
> not respond or respond incorrectly as to the total stimulus we do not
> perceive "reality" even though it is certainly "reality" as far as we
> are concerned.
>
We perceive part of reality through our senses, and reality must be
so that when it interfaces with our perceptual systems, our
perceptions result. In other words, the whole cannot contradict the
part.
>
> Our memetic responses are governed by the same limitations although they
> certainly may have a great influence on our perceptions. If we cannot
> hear subsonic or hypersonic sounds we can make equipment that indicates
> that there is such activity but we cannot be "sure" that what we are
> perceiving through our equipment "sounds" like what is "really" going
> on. Nor can we be sure that we are controlling our responses which may
> be determined by autonomic responses at a lower level that determine one
> or both of what we are perceiving and our responses to such "filtered"
> responses.
>
Memetics, the realm of meaning rathr than being, is constituted not
within matter/energy simpliciter, but within the patterns into which
matter/energy are configured, and the information that these
configurations symbolize and communicate by means of mutually
agreed meanings encoded in common symbol systems
(hermeneutic rather than existential).
>
> Is that what you where asking me?
>
> Cordially,
>
> Bob
>
> --
> Bob Grimes
>
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>
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> Man is not in control, but the man who knows he is not in control is
> more in control...
>
> Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore....."
>
>
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