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Nice one Joe!
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> From: Joe E. Dees
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> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: solipsistic view on memetics
> From: Douglas Brooker <dbrooker@clara.co.uk>
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> > > >>>That's like invoking God or different
> > > >>>dimensions to foreclose further questioning; a mystical and anti-
> > > >>>intellectual response, indeed.
> >
> > Mysticism as it is used in the western 'intellectual' tradition
> > functions as kind of "cooties" - a dismissive mostly rhetorical term
> > to be applied to arguments outside of a set of very rigid and
> > formalistic discourse requirements.
> >
> > This use of 'mystic' is sort of the scholarly equivalent of 'nigger' or
> > 'faggot' and has little to do with the mystic tradition, whether it is
> > western, eastern or islamic. Most unbecoming behaviour!
> >
> > I like Clifford Geertz's comment (quoting someone else I think) that
> > western 'philosophy is a cultural disease - it can be cured.'
> >
> Religions, on the other hand, prove to be both more virulent and
> more resistent to antimemetics than philosophies. When you are
> ablde to show that a philosophical point is logically self-
> contradictory, that its empirical consequences do not in fact follow,
> or that it is inconsistent with contiguous truths, the holder of it will
> generally concede, and even thank you for helping him/her
> understand and grow, if (s)he is the sort of logical, rational,
> reasonable, coherent and cogent person who prefers philosophical
> discourse to religious proselytization, and is a genuine seeker of
> understanding and its evolution. On the other hand, when you
> demonstrate that a religious tenet is bereft of insight or veracity,
> the holders of some religions will try to kill you, the holders of
> others will attempt to wear you down with reams of infantile,
> emotional and logicless rhetoric, and the holders of still others will
> smile enigmatically (they hope) and revel in how the self-
> contradictory nature of what they are asserting means that it must
> contain a deeper, more profound truth, which they attempt to
> masturbatorially embrace between sonic stopthinks known as
> chants, in a love of and delight in the experience of dwelling in the
> condition of not understanding.
> >
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