RE: Changing threads/ American Nationalism !?

From: John Wilkins (wilkins@wehi.EDU.AU)
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    On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:11:31 +0200 D.Gatherer@organon.nhe.akzonobel.nl
    (Gatherer, D. (Derek)) wrote:

    .....
    >Kenneth:
    >I now exactly where the benefits of Darwinism are, but how will you
    >ever
    >convince American scientist of the same fact, if Lamarckism is one of
    >the
    >cornerstones of their scientific thought !?
    >
    >Derek:
    >But is it? I mean can you name a modern neo-Lamarckian working in the
    >USA?
    >I can't. The only neo-Lamarckian I can think of is Robert Steele, and
    >he's
    >an Aussie. (I could mention Brian Goodwin, or Mae-Wan Ho, but they
    >might
    >not thank me for the label neo-Lamarckian, and in any case they're both
    >based in the UK, and Goodwin is English).

    That's *Ted* Steele, and he's a Pom who now works in Australia :-)
    However, his collaborators are Australian.

    It's entirely a matter of labels whether Steele is a neo-Lamarckian. It
    really depends on how you draw the lines.

    Assume for a moment that his hypothesis is correct (which immunologists
    who work in the field do not think it is): variants of
    antibody-producing genes that have mutated in the body of one organism
    through what is called clonal selection are supposed to be transferred
    from the T cells to the gametes of that organism. They are then passed
    on to the progeny of that organism. Steele thinks this is a clear case
    of the inheritance of acquired characters, and hence is neo-Lamarckian.

    However, the *generation* of these antibody genes is - surprise - random
    variation and selective retention. That's why it's called clonal
    *selection* theory; and Burnet and Medawar deliberately drew the analogy
    from Darwinian evolution. So is this a neo-Lamarckian process? Only if
    you take the Weismann Barrier to be an inherent part of Darwinian
    evolution. Most current biologists who work in the field would not, I
    think, call this neo-Lamarckian.

    Then there's epigenetic inheritance. this is the view that heredity can
    be non-genetic. This is clearly not neo-Lamarckian. There's no
    "retranscribing" of somatic information into heredity facctors; what is
    passed on *is* soma (or at best cytological or extragenetic). See
    Jablonka and Lamb's book on this - the result is still Darwinian.

    Jablonka, Eva, and Marion J. Lamb. 1995. Epigenetic inheritance and
    evolution: the Lamarckian dimension. Oxford; New York: Oxford University
    Press.

    also

    Jablonka, E., and M. J. Lamb. 1998. Bridges Between Development and
    Evolution. Biology and Philosophy 13 (1):119­124.

    Goodwin and Ho, et al. are "structuralists" who think that one of the
    biases on the pathways of evolution is the form or structure that is
    possible to develop. Hence, some forms will develop in phylogeny simply
    because they are "doable" or likely to appear as the result of their
    formal properties. Schlichting and Pigliucci demolish this pretty much,
    IMO, and argue that all forms that are possible are possible (duh); why
    some appear rather than others is, in the end, the result of viability
    (ie, selection) and drift.

    Schlichting, Carl D., and Massimo Pigliucci. 1998. Phenotypic Evolution:
    A Reaction Norm Perspective. Sunderland, MA: Sinauer Associates.

    Some URLs:

    Steele's home site
    http://www.uow.edu.au/science/biol/tsteele.html

    His book site
    http://www.2think.org/lamarck.shtml

    An essay on the generation of information in the immune system:
    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/fitness.html

    --
    

    John Wilkins, Head, Graphic Production The Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research Melbourne, Australia <mailto:wilkins@WEHI.EDU.AU> <http://www.users.bigpond.com/thewilkins/darwiniana.html> Homo homini aut deus aut lupus - Erasmus of Rotterdam

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