Re: Changing threads/ American Nationalism !?

From: Kenneth Van Oost (Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be)
Date: Wed Aug 16 2000 - 20:11:01 BST

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    Vincent wrote what I said,
    > You said-
    >
    > > > If we all suppose Darwin was right, and we gave him all the regards
    that
    > > > goes with it_and on the other hand half of the worlds population
    thinks
    > he
    > > > got it all wrong,...where is the benefit of Darwinism then !?
    > > > There is some contradiction somewhere, no !?
    >
    > Adding to Derek's point, Darwinism is also useful in retrodiction-
    offering
    > the most satisfactory theory so far as to the origin of species. No
    theory
    > before Darwin's could plausibly explain dinosaurs, for example, (bit of a
    > guess here, as I've no idea if Lamarck had anything to say about
    dinosaurs),
    > and certainly the judeo-christian-muslim creation stories could not, and
    > cannot account for them (oh, wait a minute, don't they claim they now
    claim
    > they were all killed in the great flood? yeah well...).

    Adding to both your posts,

    << That is just the point I wish to make, you can 't explain dinosaurs to
    the half
    of the worlds population because they don 't buy Darwins story !!
    And like I see it, in America it is worse than where ever, due to the fact
    that
    their political belief (and that is one of the major players in exepting or
    not
    of a theory) is impressed on the one hand by the Creatonist believe and on
    the other hand by Reform Lamarckism !!
    I don 't see how in that environment Darwinism can get to any practical
    bene-
    fit...!!
    See below, you mention the reasons why.
    In addition to that, the reason why Creatonists will have a go, once again
    at
    Darwinism, now that is called Reform Lamarckism, is that a religion uprise
    will cause a decline in moral abuse. A religion uprise would be better for
    the
    society, because it would mean lesser poverty, lesser crime etc...
    The struggle in America would be IMHO of great importance for the further
    acceptance of Darwinism throughout the rest of the world.
    If Darwinian scientist would fail, I think of the worst scenario possible...

    > Half the world may reject it as a theory because it undermines their
    > existing belief-systems- or at least it does if they are fundamentalist
    > believers in their religious texts. Much the same thing happened with the
    > Copernican world system, which many people worked out was more accurate
    than
    > the Ptolemaic system, but so much was at stake in this that lives were
    > literally on the line over accepting/refuting this view (most obviously in
    > Galileo's case where the Vatican priests refused to see what was evident
    > through the telescope- or many indeed have simply been unable to see
    because
    > their world-view wouldn't allow it), and it took many, many years to
    become
    > accepted.

    > As to your point about key people/moments in nation's sense of identity,
    > well yes I think that's a factor. The problem with the A-bombs in Japan,
    > however, is that the survivors (I believe they're called hibakusha)
    although
    > able to get on with their lives have always been regarded rather as
    pariahs
    > in Japan (a bit like Vietnam vets in the USA)- perhaps because they are
    > living reminders of defeat. with any defining moment, there will be
    groups
    > of people excluded,

    Just in addition, again a program on BBC world this week, Life Untouchable,
    about the lower caste in Indian society...I can understand the philosophy
    behind why parents/ people are reduced to nothing, but the children born in
    their mids...that is something what escapes me, though !!
    Talking about pariahs, brrr...

    Many regards,

    Kenneth

    ( I am, because we are)

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