Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id MAA00479 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:51:03 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D310174594E@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Was Freud a Minivan or S.U.V. Kind of Guy? Israel and Palesti ne. Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:48:39 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Let me see, a formerly heavy smoker, with ADD and trained in using
weapons.... hmm.
I take back everything I said, you're absolutely right about everything :-)
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Chris Lofting
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 1:33 am
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: Was Freud a Minivan or S.U.V. Kind of Guy? Israel and
> Palestine.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> > Of Vincent Campbell
> > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2000 12:51
> > To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
> > Subject: RE: Was Freud a Minivan or S.U.V. Kind of Guy? Israel and
> > Palestine.
> >
> >
> > Just one more comment, and then I'll let it lie.
> >
> > I'm not a neuro-scientist, so I can't really comment on that
> > aspect of your
> > claims, but I'd be incredibly surprised to find that neuroscience
> > in any way
> > supports the notion that if we switch one I-ching symbol for
> > another we can
> > explain or solve problems in the Middle-East.
>
> You see, you miss the point totally. You are stuck at the level of
> expression and so incapable of seeing BEHIND the I ching symbol. What does
> it REPRESENT? It represents a neurologically determined general pattern of
> meaning. The I Ching is a metaphor, as are all other forms of expression.
> Metaphor for what? A metaphor for describing the interactions of objects
> and relationships and how, given a particular starting point, you can
> generally determine where things will go, how things will move.
>
> In the I Ching symbolisms that I gave, the line represented a particular
> attitude, a particular element of a dichotomy.
>
> When your brain analyses data it will do so from a general-to-a-specific
> or
> the reverse. The line patterns represent dichotomies and they are LAYERED
> in
> that the base line serves as context within which the next line functions.
> These TWO lines in turn become the context for the next line; it is like
> the
> strata we see in the earth, bedrock leading to top soil.
>
> When we create three dimensional models we start with the X-axis, one
> dimension, and that is given a value of >0 or <0, positive/negative. We
> then
> add the Y-axis and move to two dimensions but this Y axis is deerived
> WITHIN
> THE CONTEXT SET BY THE X-axis. We continue to do this layering each
> dichotomy and so creating meaning. The insistence on these dimensions
> being
> orthogonal is to ensure we get maximum 'difference' to ensure we get a
> 'good' map. Thus the use of dichotomies such as similar/difference or
> positive/negative etc help to ensure this.
>
> The questions I proposed and answered are in a specific order to map this
> behaviour, moving from a general to a specific, and the I Ching SYMBOLISM
> is
> extremely useful in capturing the patterns that come from this sort of
> process.
>
> The particular questions are general questions that I have been able to
> come
> up with after a lot of study on how we process data and capture/create
> meaning. you can vary the expression but not the overall form.
>
> By answering the questions you create the symbols and you will find BEHIND
> those symbols sets of meaning that are properties of the METHOD of
> analysis
> and as such reflect the general way in which we think. That is why people
> see so much in esoteric systems since the systems themselves are founded
> on
> the use of recursive dichotomisation that is expressed by layering
> seemingly
> 'different' dichotomies.
>
> >
> > If it were that simple, then why not offer your services to the Camp
> David
> > negotiations? They certainly seem to need some help, and I'm sure
> they'd
> > appreciate it.
>
> I am sure they would but most dont get the idea at the moment, e.g. you.
> :-)
> It IS 'that simple' but that is the problem in that to recognise this sort
> of simplicity does require a bit of a paradimg shift :-) My problem is
> that
> I an not qualified, I am a university drop-out (half way through 2nd
> year).
> I got bored, started getting absent fails etc since I was getting more out
> of my own work as well as working in the computer industry, took to
> computers like a duck takes to water. Dropped out of Uni, took a 6 month
> IT
> course. Worked for a few companies until I got to the 'top' and then
> became
> a mercenary; gives me time to do my thinking etc. :-) Been doing that for
> over 23 years. Prior to that I was a professional musician (Rock. Jazz -
> 60s - far out man!)
>
> THe problem is that these days to present what I have done requires some
> sort of evidence that I have done the basics; people dont except
> experience
> anymore, or 'natural' abilities. Pity. On the IQ scale I am around the
> 98th
> percentile (in potentials) but performance is only at the 85th -- two+
> standard deviations off. At that level that is a 'big' difference. That
> comes from by AD(H)D that is unmedicated since I stopped smoking 60+ a
> day -- the nicotine actually kept me together :-)
>
> My daugher has ADD, same aptitude ratings (98th/87th). Thus I can get
> distracted a bit and I can write in a way that shows the distractions, I
> can
> 'jump' a bit or become too intense.
> The feedback I get from knowing what the problem is is VERY useful and so
> that helps a lot. Being 'smart' also helps in that I can do ok without the
> medication. not 'perfect' but ok :-)
>
> All of this material should have been completed YEARS ago and it requires
> a
> lot more fleshing-out but let be assure you this is no joke. We are
> dealing
> with SERIOUS stuff.
>
> >
> > If you feel that this system explains life the universe and everything
> for
> > you, then fine, I wish you well.
> >
>
> I have no idea about life, the universe, everything, only about HOW we go
> about making it meaningful. The validity of our maps is based on the
> feedback we get; for the flat earthers their ideas worked for a while
> until
> the evidence got too strong.
>
> We are animals, but unlike all of the other lifeforms that we share this
> planet with, we have a highly developed internal world, full of rich
> expressions and much difference, BUT there is behind all of that a
> SAMENESS
> and that is what most have failed to see or failed to try and understand
> more.
>
> > Vincent
> >
> > (By the way, just a small bit of advice regarding your presentation of
> > arguments- putting words in capital letters doesn't make them more
> > persuasive).
>
> Emphasis Vincent, basic emphasis. If I could put them in bold or italics
> or
> underline them I would but most people still communicate in text mode,
> text
> mode is the BEDROCK for email and so sticking to that mode ensures that
> all
> can read the email (there are some who still use lynx etc.) If something
> comes to be in graphics mode (HTML etc) and I wish to reply I will do so
> in
> text mode. Habit I guess :-)
>
> Best,
>
> Chris.
> ------------------
> Chris Lofting
> websites:
> http://www.eisa.net.au/~lofting
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond
>
>
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