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> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Kenneth Van Oost
> Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2000 5:11
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: point of memetic saturation
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>
> << Thanks Chris !!
>
>
> > Kenneth, FYI:
> >
> > At the time of answerinng these questions it points to a
> security seeking
> > bias. Moralist perspective. Zoom-in and the emphasis includes
> > preservationist/conservationist (providing the necessities of life) as
> well
> > as monitor-types (admin, management). You would need to answer a third
> > question to resolve this i.e. do you react to things more or do you
> actively
> > get involved? (REACTIVE vs PROACTIVE).
>
> << Reactive, I don 't see the point in getting involved in something over
> the long term, that is_I solve the problem now and here. What the con-
> sequences are is a problem for later. But that does not mean that I am
> not aware of those problems. They do bother me ! >>
Ok, so given this set of answers this gives us a persona type that is
contractive BINDING biased.
Here are some general attributes of this type - see if they ring any bells:
Overall characteristics are bring things/people together. Emphasis on using
influence and cultivation to do this. Do well in handling sameness in
difference, to find the one in the many (the more scientific try to find the
many in the one i.e. use of formulas, algorithms that are BEHIND the many).
Very much into dynamic processes, the space 'inbetween' objects, the 'home'
of memes! language, interpretations and their 'modification' to aid in
cultivating a point of view etc. Use of persuation, even seduction, to get
the message across. Organisation skills.
Can be too controlling at times; do it by the book. Any algorithms are in
the form of social laws/principles etc (between the many). with an emphasis
on the expression not what is behind it. IOW the law is based on what you
DID not what you say you INTENDED to do (or not do).
There is a bias to not trusting others, emphasis on management, clear
rules, can be too judging at times. General approach to money is how to save
it. From a teaching perspective more into management. CEOs are more often of
this type in that the belief is that through 'correct' management etc so
transformation occurs.
From the Template/I Ching side of things there are eight fundamental, or
local, behaviours:
1) getting entangled with others and so 'ascending' the hierarchy.
2) correcting corruption.
3) foundation setting.
4) cultivation.
5) commitment.
6) transformation.
7) Excess (going beyond what is required).
8) persuasion/seduction.
Within these there are two general 'paths':
1-2-3-4 and
8-7-6-5
These are each bidirectional, the above sequences reflect
BLEND-BOND-BOUND-BIND. The 1-2-3-4 is more values biased, the 8-7-6-5 more
'facts' biased.
>
>
<snip>
> << I don 't know if you are aware, but if you walk down the street or in
> a supermarket and you overhear a conversation, can you pick out the
> persons who are probably teachers !? With all your previous posts in
> mind that would not give any problem. That is, in the way they act, they
> act as teachers, not only in their professional lives but also in their
> private
> lives. But that is what you said, is it not !? >>
Sure -- people are most happy when their job 'fits' them; thus there is no
distinction of text/context, when they go to work they do not feel 'out of
context', they feel 'one' :-) We battle with life the same way a gene does
:-)
There can be problems of course. For example all what you would call
'female' types (Right brain bias to me) are naturally critical since they
are so sensitive to context, at times oversensitive, they describe things by
what they are NOT. (as in 'no, thats not it..nore is that...cant you get it
right!?...thats IT!) There is not necessarily any intent in this, no
intentional criticality, it is their METHOD. This can be really useful in
education but it can be a problem when it comes home and the partner
(usually male) is not aware of this natural method of expression since the
male reacts to single context and so cannot 'see' past the expression!
There is often a fuzzyness presented where you have to 'decode' the message,
the words can say one thing but mean another (to a male interpretation :-)
as in 'are you OK.?' .. 'Yes I am fine' NOT.) Lots of use of metaphors,
analogies, similes etc etc lots of indications, not getting to the EXPLICIT
point. lot of implications, innuendos, signs left for interpretation etc.
Can get very symbolic and political! This is all harmonics thinking; playing
with boundaries, exagerate them, hide them etc etc all very dynamic and so
ever changing but that is 'fun', to elude, delude. shape shifting both
literally and metaphorically.
Science use this criticality in that logic is to see the negative in the
positive; they look for the unusual cases, the NOTS in the SAMENESS and try
to map them; to figure out their 'not-ness' and possibly describe it in an
algorithm or formula.
Compared to your contractive binding, I am by nature a problem solver and so
biased to algorithms and formulas and an attraction to what is BEHIND
things, the one behind the many. I am an expansive binder.
Joe mentioned doing an analysis of me -- you will find a 'drive' to seek
meaning in 'out there'. It is my 'natural state' and what I enjoy most and
the emphasis is on BINDING but expansive; scientists and the like make maps
of reality to help them 'expand', to push their boundaries outwards. The
prime drive is fear in that the type emerges from sensation seeking where
some sort of sensation was 'bad' and 'unexpected' so there is a need for
analysis, to get 'behind' that sensation in particular and all sensations in
general, to map them out so we can be careful and guiding, act to go around
(or through) the problem areas.
There is a bit of 'wizardry' involved in that the maps become part of the
person, tools that get pulled out of the bag to magically 'solve' any
problem. Thus we BIND these tools to our selves. Our partners in this are
the expansive BOUNDERS, they are more theoreticans, scientists, planners,
strategists, commanders etc, their drive is to ENCLOSE (all of the types
XNTJ using the MBTI system).
There is a problem in expression and that deals with one of the deadly
sins -- avarice. Thus the expressions are in obscure terms that the
'ordinary' find difficulty with and so there is a requirement for
interpretation -- by the wizard of course :-) In this sense there is a
'drive' to keep things 'in'.
For any typologists reading this I am an XNTP (in general an engineer, in
particular more of a philosopher/architect/designer), enneagram type 5,
Aries, Fool, The Arousing (Thunder) [ last entry is from the I Ching]. Into
'facts', 'logic'. sometimes too insensitive. agnostic. theoretic. Promethian
(love setting fires under people, especially the 'gods' as well as 'in'
people, as in motivation etc. to enlighten, to make aware ;-))
best,
Chris.
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Chris Lofting
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http://www.eisa.net.au/~lofting
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