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> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Vincent Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 July 2000 8:45
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> Subject: RE: Was Freud a Minivan or S.U.V. Kind of Guy?
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>
> I thought these Freudian categories of mind had long since been junked by
> most psychologists?
>
> Vincent
>
Whether true or false that is besides the point since the SELF/OTHERS
dichotomy will point you to a set of meanings that include the ID/EGO etc.
The other categorisations I linked-in come from a totally different
typology, the WORDS are different but the underlying patterns are not.
At my eisa website I expand on Freud's trichotomy and show it to be an error
in refinement; we are dealing with bifurcations and so 1-2-4 not 1-2-3.
However at this general level there is no real confusion; things start to go
off the rails as you keep trying to 'see' 1-2-3.
BTW there are still a lot of psychoanalysis lists around and the concepts
are still used within that discipline. From a neurological perspective many
favour the Freud perspective! The ID maps to the child mind, to sensation
seeking, to SELF bias. There IS a development pattern from SELF to OTHERS
and this dichotomy alone can be used to generate personality types that
'fit' with all other typologies that are founded on dichotomisations.
Best,
Chris.
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