Re: RS

From: Wade Allsopp (wade.allsopp@gmail.com)
Date: Thu 04 May 2006 - 22:38:05 GMT

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    Robin

    You claim that "a pattern is always information". I'd claim that information is always a pattern, but not all patterns constitute information.

    Although there are differing views of how information might be defined, the concept is generally assumed to involve some conscious mind. A pattern does not I think have such implications. A crystal is a pattern of atoms whether or not there is anyone around to comment on the fact. If you want to claim that all memes are information then you have to use quite an uncommon definition of information.ie that information is any represented pattern. if you do use this concept of information it would seem to rule out objects in themselves as counting as memes. I'm not sure that this is correct. I'd say that physical wheels for example are memes as well as informational representations of wheels.

    Wade

    On 04/05/06, Robin Faichney < robin@mmmi.org> wrote:
    >
    > Thursday, May 4, 2006, 5:59:25 PM, Wade wrote:
    >
    > > The way I see it, the fundamental concept is that of "pattern".
    >
    > Information is more fundamental. A sequence of bits might be random or
    > patterned, but a pattern is always information. A genuine
    > understanding of the fundamentals of memetics will require a full
    > understanding of the relationships between mind, matter, information,
    > causation and other such phenomena. That's what I'm working on. Of
    > course I might be hopelessly over-ambitious, but the way I see it,
    > somebody has to do it!
    >
    > --
    > Best regards,
    > Robin mailto: robin@mmmi.org
    >
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