From: Kenneth Van Oost (kennethvanoost@belgacom.net)
Date: Thu 20 Apr 2006 - 20:05:08 GMT
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From: Dace <edace@earthlink.net>
SNIP,
> That is, they exist in the mind. The same is true of memes. To place
memes
> in brains, books, DVDs, etc., is to say that it's convenient for us to
think
> this way, but of course in reality there are no memes, only atoms and
> molecules.
> Yet memes are as real as the minds that propagate them. Though flying
> elephants don't exist, the thought of flying elephants is very much real.
> It's only the content of imagination that's unreal, not imagination
itself.
> The trouble is that we can't seem to grasp how a thing could be real when
it
> can't be narrowed down to a particular place that contains a particular
> clump of matter. We feel compelled to ask, where is the meme?
<< Yet Dace if this will be true, then memes are not singular, but always
plural,
transcedent, spacial, spacious...there is no single meme for each word, for
each
situation and thus we ought to think what we agreed upon what memes are, see
their definition, is wrong ! Memes...take for example the meme ' spring',
what the
meme then actually is, is ALL what is and can be connected to the word '
spring ',
with all its nuances, by- passes, conveniences, and etc.
What the ' meme ' IS, is more than we can and ever will comprehend.
And in such cases, yes indeed, to find the place where the meme reside is
impossible!
Where people think all can be dragged within ONE definition, what then IS
the
meme must stand corrected...there is NO such thing as one affect/ effect/
play/ role/...
to define THAT is the meme !
We need the broader our scope...
> When we reduce mind to brain, we step outside of ourselves, denying our
own
> existence, as if we were figments of our own imagination. As incoherent
as
> this belief system is, we cannot escape it so long as we remain wedded to
> the localization meme, which originated in the 17th century with the work
of
> Descartes and Robert Hooke. That we deny our own reality and imagine
we've
> found representations where there are only atoms and molecules is a
> testament to the hypnotic power of memes.
<< True ! But if we indeed wider our view and look for the real fundamentals
of
what memes are all the above falls apart.
Where Robin says memes are units of information we ought to say memes are
'stories' of information. Units, chunks, parts are equivalent to small and
narrow,
where story indicates ' longer ', ' never ending ', ' open ', ' spacial '.
The meme is the story that our mind tells us within the moment of context
and
what the consequence will be of one 's action upon himself, will be a fact
at the
very moment it will occur !
Memes evolve, propagate, reproduce at the very moment of their occurance.
It is a continuous process.
That is much more then just one ball one game....
Regards,
Kenneth
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