Re: Cartoon meme

From: Wade Allsopp (wade.allsopp@gmail.com)
Date: Sat 11 Feb 2006 - 14:53:41 GMT

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    The idea that those carrying out suicide/martyrdom attacks in the name if Islam, will be rewarded in the afterlife and in particular can expect to be "given" 72 virgins.

    On 2/11/06, Douglas Brooker <d.brooker@laposte.net> wrote:
    >
    > Wade Allsopp wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > On 2/11/06, *Kate Distin* wrote
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Your analysis strikes me as having hit the nail on the head. I've
    > had
    > > conversations with very moderate, culturally English, not
    > particularly
    > > religiously observant Muslims in the UK, who feel very strongly that
    > > although they condemn violence and terrorism they can nonetheless
    > > understand the feelings behind the violence and terrorism. As you
    > > say,
    > > there is a perception of being marginalised and not having their
    > needs
    > > met within Western society. And another part of the problem is of
    > > course the entanglement of any encounter between Islam and the
    > > West with
    > > the situation in Israel/Palestine. All of this creates a strong
    > > feeling
    > > of identity with fellow Muslims, whatever their behaviour, and a
    > > consequent reluctance to condemn even very extreme behaviour by
    > others
    > > within that brotherhood. Heightened in this case by identifying
    > with
    > > the feelings of outrage about the prophet being ridiculed and
    > > denigrated. Then we as non-Muslims hear even our very moderate
    > > friends
    > > expressing sympathy with the feelings underlying terrorism - and the
    > > alienation is exacerbated.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I agree, this is the point I was trying to make when I said that the
    > > main losers of all this
    > > have been the moderate Muslims living in the west whose main goals are
    > > not jihad
    > > but simply to get on well with their lives and live peacefully with
    > > their neighbours.
    > >
    > > My sense is that many moderate British Muslims and those such as Jack
    > > Straw who
    > > strive to represent their views, were wrong footed by the cartoons.
    > > The initial reaction was:
    > > "this is outrageous, people are linking Islam with terrorism, this is
    > > yet another example of the
    > > prejudices we face, these publications should not be allowed."
    > >
    > > We then saw maybe 50-100 radical Islamists (representing about 0.007%
    > > of the British Muslim population) outside parliament screaming "behead
    > > the cartoonists, let's have another 7/7, go go Bin Laden etc etc"
    > >
    > > In an important sense it was these people who the REAL cartoons.
    > > Remember the idea behind a cartoon
    > > is to exaggerate real features of the subject to comic effect.
    > >
    > > Whereas the original cartoons were pretty weak images published in a
    > > Danish newspaper months previously and would have had approximately
    > > zero impact on British people's perception of Muslims, these real live
    > > cartoons got headline coverage on every TV news channel and just about
    > > every serious newspaper in the UK for 2 or 3 days. They will have had
    > > a material effect on reinforcing the prejudice against Muslims in the
    > > UK. It was only a day or two later that moderate Muslim opinion
    > > seemed to wake up to this and begin a largely ineffectual counter
    > > offensive.
    > >
    > > What I think moderate Muslims have not woken up to is that successful
    > > cartoon images "work" because they magnify aspects of the subject that
    > > are really there. Think of the domineering, handbag bashing Spitting
    > > Image puppet of Margaret Thatcher or the grey, mousy puppet of John
    > > Major.
    > >
    > > I think the comedy side of this whole story has not received much
    > > attention to date. The Muslim reaction to the cartoons
    > > has generally been that because they are cartoons they are there to
    > > "ridicule" and perhaps humiliate Muslims. In fact I would say that
    > > this is to mistake the nature of comedy and cartoons, at least in
    > > British society. Comedy is there to bring us down to earth in a non
    > > violent, non threatening way, to prevent us from taking ourselves too
    > > seriously. When successful it is perhaps the most effective form of
    > > criticism, which is presumably why in just about all of the major
    > > world dictatorships, from Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein
    > > to the current Islamic theocracies, making fun of the leader and
    > > regime in public was something that could rapidly lead to prison or in
    > > many cases death.
    > >
    > > Most discussion of the cartoons has centred on the one with Muhammad
    > > with a bomb in his turban, which is really just making the point of
    > > the link between Islam and terrorism. I think most people have said
    > > that the only one of the cartoons which is actually funny is the one
    > > with Muhammad sitting on a cloud being approached by a line of suicide
    > > bombers saying "sorry we've run out of virgins". This is the one (or
    > > something like it) which should be on posters all over Gaza, Baghdad,
    > > Kabul and Bradford, because there is a very dangerous meme out there
    > > which needs to be doused and the traditional forms of argument simply
    > > don't work against it.
    >
    >
    > What is the very dangerous meme out there that needs to be doused?
    >
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