From: Kate Distin (memes@distin.co.uk)
Date: Tue 17 Jan 2006 - 12:55:20 GMT
Chris Taylor wrote:
> Ahem (deep breath)...
> 
> I'm interested in your perspective: The Dad thing (thanks btw) wasn't 
> (I'd argue) actually formative for me in my religious rejection as it 
> took a couple more years before I was aware enough of stuff to make a 
> choice (I started Catholic through vertical transmission and went away 
> from it just before I'd have been confirmed) and is some 27 years 
> distant now; I do think though that I know roughly what my path to my 
> own variant of screaming atheism was.
> 
> It started with my being slightly alarmed by the text of the mass (once 
> I stopped chanting and listened): Sort of like the icky feeling when one 
> hears the root of most common nursery rhymes kids recite, which are 
> mostly quite unpleasant (the rhymes not the kids). Narcissism (no other 
> gods, and keep the praise coming) not that I knew the word at the time, 
> vampirism and cannibalism (transubstantiated or not), the presence of an 
> altar with its associations (how very OT). Then I was probably like most 
> in that I saw a lot of 'evil' as I watched more news. The death knell 
> came with things like the mistranslations in the bible, the range of 
> qualitatively different faiths and of course science. Evolutionary 
> biology (my thing once upon a time) has a history that starts with 
> clerics and ends with loads of atheists  :D
> 
> Anyway I wonder what confirmed and sustains your faith in the face of 
> what made me so very different in outlook? This is by definition 
> probably quite personal but if you can sanitise it I'd feel privileged 
> to hear it as you are clearly in possesion of well-developed critical 
> faculties.
> 
> Btw I didn't misunderstand I don't think, but I was already building up 
> a nice head of steam and so wasn't so clear myself: I am genuinely 
> intrigued by what gets under the wire as not absolute (objective 
> scientific) proof in the sense of God on TV saying 'Chris start saying I 
> rock or you're in for an eternity of fire boyo' but yet is more than gut 
> conviction or a response to the possibility of god? I'm repeating the 
> above request essentially.
> 
> Cheers, Chris.
> 
> 
Ok - I don't know whether you'd classify what follows as "sanitised", 
but this is my background.
[Note added later: this is a pretty long post.  It really is just about 
my history.  Don't plough through it if you're looking for stuff about 
religious evidence.  I'll do a separate post after, about that.]
My Dad's an atheist and Mum not really anything.  They never went to 
church.  We moved around a lot but always the village schools were 
Church of England so I got the odd Harvest Festival and Bible story 
thrown in; but that was about it, really.
Then I boarded in my late teens and had to go to church every Sunday I 
was at school.  I loathed it.  There were bits of the Communion service 
I could not bring myself to say (the bits about not being worthy to 
gather up the crumbs under God's table, etc.)  I took O level Religious 
Education, which actually was mostly ethics with a few bits of Scripture 
for decoration, and spent the entire course in fierce debate with the 
school Chaplain, who taught it.  I could not believe that someone as 
bright and sensible as him could *really* believe this stuff.  I felt 
the same about my best friend at school, a devout Christian who ended up 
at Oxford University and is now a barrister.  How could people so 
intelligent turn a blind eye to the facts in this way?  At about this 
time I first read The Selfish Gene, and was so embedded in my own 
atheism that I didn't even notice it in Dawkins's writing.
At Cambridge I became even more embedded in my views.  Christian Union 
members didn't help, lurking around every corner in the hope of a 
conversion. (That is seriously unfair, in retrospect, and frankly I 
didn't bring much joy to their lives either.  But it was how it felt at 
the time.)  Afterwards I ended up in the Philosophy Department at 
Sheffield, doing an MA and then PhD, and as we all know Philosophy depts 
are bastions of atheism.  I felt very much at home.
Then, partway through my MA, I had a bit of a personal crisis.  Other 
people's crises are never as interesting as they think they are, so I'll 
refrain from the gory details.  The relevant bit to this story is that, 
in a moment of sheer desperation, I prayed about it - to what, to whom, 
I didn't know, but I was pretty desperate.  (This may seem pretty 
feeble, given how I've described my atheism; but desperate times call 
for desperate and apparently even shameful measures.) And then, shock 
horror, it *seemed* that my prayer was answered.
Now, shock horror really is how I felt.  I was apalled.  I admitted it 
to nobody.  But I had to admit to myself that something had happened 
which, if I was really serious about being open-minded and seeking the 
truth, I could not ignore.  Tentatively, I prayed again - and again 
there was either a huge coincidence of timing or the prayer was answered.
So I thought it was time to find out which it had been: coincidence or 
answer.  I'm not very good at doing things half-heartedly, so I began to 
look into this Christianity thing in some detail.  I talked to Christian 
friends; read literature written by Christian writers including 
scientists who are Christians; read John's Gospel for the first time.  I 
already knew the arguments *against* religion - you can't study 
philosophy for any time and not! - but I realised that I just wasn't 
familiar enough with what Christianity said to know about the arguments 
in its favour.  I also subsequently looked into lots of the other world 
religions (I taught multi-faith RE for a while, after my PhD). I read 
some bible study notes that encouraged the reader to pray at the end of 
each reading.  I tried a couple of church services, and talked to the 
clergy afterwards (was that 'talked to' or 'interrogated'?).
Throughout this time I decided that I had to consider myself on the 
fence, religiously speaking.  I wasn't prepared to ditch my atheism on 
the basis of one answered prayer/coincidence.  I did the rational thing 
and retained my faith in it, you might say, while I investigated this 
new piece of evidence.  I continued to read the anti-theist literature, 
too; and to talk to other atheists - mostly philosophers, but some 
scientists - about this stuff.
And then there came a day when I knew I had to get down off the fence. 
It was a complete bloody nightmare.  All these years I had been so 
publicly, so definitively, so rabidly atheist.  What would my Dad say? 
My friends?  Oohhh - groan - my fellow philosophers?  But either God 
exists or he doesn't.  The claims of Christianity are true or they 
aren't.  I had to come to a conclusion at some point, and really by now 
I knew what it was.  So I made my decision.  I came out about it.  Peals 
of laughter rang out around the Philosophy deparment.  Life went on.
And the evidence that convinced me?  I'll stick it in a separate post, 
as I said above.  This is much too long already.
Kate
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