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This where evolutionary psychology explanations as to why behaviours persist
do becom rather difficult to stomach- like that much criticised American
book, what was it called 'The Natural History of Rape' or something like
that.
As we agree, the thing is such behaviours have persisted, so how did they
persist?
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> From: Kenneth Van Oost
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> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:06 pm
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 12:38 PM
> Subject: RE: Cons and Facades/memetic engineering
>
>
> >Vincent wrote,
>
> > I'm not sure that the inclusive fitness argument is necessarily
> watertight.
> > After all some behaviours may be tolerated if the people doing it offer
> some
> > other attributes which benefit the group, e.g. being a good hunter.
>
> << That is a kind of ' sick ' argument ! Sex-offenders and paedophiles
> have
> also attributes which benefit the group; they can be great teachers !
> I think the behaviour is tolerated not because people doing ' perversities
> '
> offer some benefit to the group, maybe way back in the ' old days ', but
> because they act NOT against the weak in our society.
> Clinton was OK, after all how old was the lady !? I suppose the im-
> peachment would have take place if the lady was a child of 8 !?
>
> The behaviour of paedophiles is not tolerated because the sex act involves
> children. The same principle is applied towards sex-offenders who rape
> and murder out of a ' power ' situation. The principle goes, that you don
> 't
> touch the weak even you have so mush to offer.
>
> I remerber, what was the mans name, he was prime-minister in Indonisia,
> I think,...
> Anyway, he is/was convicted to imprisonment for having sex with animals,
> I think !! Sex is a weapon !!
>
> Oh, yeah, the state of Louisiana do punish oral and anal sex acts with 5
> years imprisonment.
> The law is now 200 years old and the Supreme Court has confirmed the
> law once a again.
> The supporters argued that sex acts between agreeing adults can 't be
> a case of public right.
> The Pope called homosexuality this weekend ' an objective disorder ' .
> I do understand the reasons why he said that, but that people are belie-
> ving that stuff, well Elmo Recio said it, I don 't get it !!
>
> > After all, these behaviours have survived, so they can't have been so
> non-adaptive to have been wiped out. But the basic point you make seems
> fine to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
> (I am, because we are)
>
>
>
>
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