From: Derek Gatherer (d.gatherer@vir.gla.ac.uk)
Date: Thu 13 Oct 2005 - 08:28:27 GMT
This thread seems to be dying out, so just to round up a few things I 
dodn't get round to commenting on while it was in full flow:
At 22:56 10/10/2005, Dace wrote:
>Mutation is a source of variation, but is it the only source?  What about
>the life experiences of plants and animals?  That doesn't count for
>anything?
In a nutshell, no.  People have looked extensively and found 
nothing.  In the early 70s an Australian immunologist called Ted 
Steele thought he had found an example in the immune system, but it 
turned out to be not the case (as detailed in Dawkins' "Extended Phenotype")
  Instead
>of animals intelligently deciding to pursue a new path that leads, over the
>generations, to anatomical changes, it's the occasional transcription error
>during cell division that provides the raw material on which natural
>selection operates.  It's just kind of a nutty view.  Flies in the face of
>reason.  So why is it so widely held?
Well. because it's been convincingly demonstrated to be true by 
decades of scientific investigation.  One thing I'm curious about, 
Ted, on what level do you actually deny the evidence?  Do you think 
you could reinterpret the results of decades of evolutionary genetics 
to agree with your conclusions? ie. do you think that the experiments 
were valid but the conclusions wrong?  Or do you dismiss the 
experiments completely, thereby claiming that 100 years of modern 
biology has been a waste of time?
   Mechanism
>posits that something is real if it operates the way a machine does.
No, just that there is cause and effect mediated by physical interaction.
For starters, it allows for the
>possibility that characteristics acquired through life-struggle can actually
>be inherited by descendants.  Thus adaptations can be transmitted without
>genetic mediation just as light can travel through deep space without the
>need for "ether."
Again, I find it difficult to get to the end of that sentence without 
thinking that I'm reading some kind of description of magic. 
===============================================================
This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Thu 13 Oct 2005 - 08:46:15 GMT