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From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: Cons and Facades/memetic engineering
>Vincent wrote,
> I'm not sure that the inclusive fitness argument is necessarily
watertight.
> After all some behaviours may be tolerated if the people doing it offer
some
> other attributes which benefit the group, e.g. being a good hunter.
<< That is a kind of ' sick ' argument ! Sex-offenders and paedophiles have
also attributes which benefit the group; they can be great teachers !
I think the behaviour is tolerated not because people doing ' perversities '
offer some benefit to the group, maybe way back in the ' old days ', but
because they act NOT against the weak in our society.
Clinton was OK, after all how old was the lady !? I suppose the im-
peachment would have take place if the lady was a child of 8 !?
The behaviour of paedophiles is not tolerated because the sex act involves
children. The same principle is applied towards sex-offenders who rape
and murder out of a ' power ' situation. The principle goes, that you don
't
touch the weak even you have so mush to offer.
I remerber, what was the mans name, he was prime-minister in Indonisia,
I think,...
Anyway, he is/was convicted to imprisonment for having sex with animals,
I think !! Sex is a weapon !!
Oh, yeah, the state of Louisiana do punish oral and anal sex acts with 5
years imprisonment.
The law is now 200 years old and the Supreme Court has confirmed the
law once a again.
The supporters argued that sex acts between agreeing adults can 't be
a case of public right.
The Pope called homosexuality this weekend ' an objective disorder ' .
I do understand the reasons why he said that, but that people are belie-
ving that stuff, well Elmo Recio said it, I don 't get it !!
> After all, these behaviours have survived, so they can't have been so
non-adaptive to have been wiped out. But the basic point you make seems
fine to me.
Regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are)
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