From: Scott Chase (osteopilus@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed 04 May 2005 - 11:03:01 GMT
--- Chris Taylor <christ@ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
> When LeDoux talks about synapses (para-digital) and
> self in the book
> does he also factor in the full-on analog summation
> on the soma, or is
> this all about switching networks for him?
>
I'll have to get back to you on this one. I'm jumping
back and forth between LeDoux and Rose with decent
results. Rose talks about the vertbrate brain
*bauplan* so I'm in intellectual nirvana right now.
Evo-devo....Yummm...
>
> Worm people love to rant on about this
> fully-deterministic cell fate
> thing. Yawn (sorry wormies). I think we can presume
> elegans to be _well_
> below the 'critical mass' for anything interesting
> w.r.t. our concerns.
> Honey bees have special neural architecture for
> learning routes from
> dances, but this is just one phenome reprogramming
> another phenome in an
> entirely straightforward manner, rather than any
> ghosts appearing in the
> machine.
>
> With Aplysia, I assume the small subset of neurons
> referred to by Aunger
> are those concerned directly with the (undergrad
> conditioning lecture)
> example of gill retraction in response to prodding
> (over time the
> initial rapid retraction response changes -- long
> term condition through
> changes in protein composition of the synapse, as
> opposed to a
> short-term change through exhaustion of resourse
> iyswim, which also
> occurs). Seems that shuffling stock examples led to
> some bits getting
> mixed up? Oh dear :\
>
I've oscillated between thinking Aunger goofed again
and thinkking maybe there is a subset of 32 neurons
that he is implicitly referring to.
I've been trying to find definitive cell population
counts online for the central ganglia and cerebral
ganglia of *Aplysia*. Is the cerebral ganglion (or
ganglia plural?) analogous to higher function regions
of the human brain? From trying my luck parsing
abstracts and stuff it seems that there are more than
32 neurons in the cerebral ganglia (but I could be
wrong in my hasty skimming). The cerebral ganglia seem
to be subdivided into neural clusters with letter
designations. Maybe Aunger's talking about one of
these clusters? Or maybe he's talking about the
neurons involved in the gill withdrawal reflex, but
are there actually only 32 neurons involved here? I
guess I should read some of Kandel's stuff sometime...
>
> Sorry I can't get stuck into the meat of your post
> though (or the last
> one -- need to slow the earth's rotation).
>
> You read like most people breathe dude :D
>
I'm trying to meet neuromemetics head on without
enough impact that will trigger the airbags.
I'm being cross-fertilized by Calvin, Rose, LeDoux,
and Bloch at the present time. My head might explode
like on that movie "Scanners" if I'm not careful :-)
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