From: John Wilkins (j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au)
Date: Wed 27 Apr 2005 - 12:28:50 GMT
Tsk, a biologist should be able to identify an ape :-)
I am familiar with Otte and Endler, and most of the later stuff (not
speciation, although I'm remedying that now - I tend to be a pluralist,
allowing for sympatric as well as allopatric speciation). I also know
White's karyotypic (stasipatric) account.
I have a history - a memetic study you might say - of species concepts
from Aristotle, through the late classical, medieval, renaissance, and
later periods as well as the beginnings of natural history from
Cesalpino on. It's being revised for publication now. I hope to have it
ready by October or so.
I am not familiar with an "inclusive species concept" unless you mean
Templeton's *cohesion* concept.
Cheers
On 27/04/2005, at 7:55 PM, Chris Taylor wrote:
> Hiya. The marvellous not-so-little book in which that concept, plus
> the classical biological concept and a couple of others are descibed
> (in a piece by Alan Templeton) is:
>
> Otte, D. and J.A. Endler (editors). 1989. Speciation and its
> Consequences. Sinauer Associates, Sunderland, Mass. 670pp
>
> Well worth a browse -- as I recall more or less all the pieces were
> interesting, including some good stuff on Aussie crickets (but
> intriguingly, not Aussie cricketers) that extended the notion of
> parapatric speciation. I'm struggling now though -- its a long time
> since I had a copy to hand.
>
> Fyi my interest started with an undergraduate dissertation on
> speciation and ended up being a Ph.D. I can forward either if you like
> (for the various references rather than the, er, quality of the
> writing, especially in the undergrad dissertation...). But I was more
> focused on speciation mechanisms than species concepts (although
> obviously one has to pick a concept to study the mechanisms). Btw nice
> monkey ;)
>
> Cheers, Chris.
>
>
> Chris Taylor wrote:
>>> ...
>>> There is also a community of people that are trying to keep Latin up
>>> to date! This is a weird thing that may have no direct analogue in
>>> animal biology as funny animal hybrids can't walk / eat / think as a
>>> rule; but perhaps plants can throw us a bone here so to speak? The
>>> notion of a defined species in plants is much less useful as there
>>> tend to be gradations between apparent 'species' that bridge gaps
>>> either through interleaving (ho ho ho) of bits of genomes keeping n
>>> = 2 or whatever, or just adding genomes (hexaploid bread wheat,
>>> maize etc.); hence the biological species definition is less useful
>>> and we have to look at the inclusive species concept or something
>>> like that. And importantly the hybrids can represent a species in
>>> themselves. Something you kind of see in animal ring species but
>>> only in a limited way, and certainly you don't see summation of
>>> genomes in animals if there is even a sniff of recombination
>>> (phasmids do it, but not much else? Scott help me out here as you
>>> may be the most widely-read guy in the world...).
>> Chris
>> Can you give me some reference to this "inclusive species concept"?
>> Species concepts is my thesis topic, presently being revised for
>> publication, and I have never come across it. Your help would be
>> appreciated.
>> John
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