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Wade,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Wade T.Smith
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> Subject: the tent
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>
> On 07/05/00 14:34, Chris Lofting said this-
>
> >The intent was to help Wade understand how people find 'meaning' in
> >Astrology etc, it was all done as a response to his 'take me
> into the tent'
> >request :-) It was a bit 'intense' so may need a few reads (if one is
> >interested :-))
>
> Ah, but you see, I never had any problem with _how_ (or even 'why')
> people find 'meaning' in astrology (or NLP, or acupuncture, or even the
> Red Sox....) What I _still_ have a problem with (yes, believe it or not,
> regardless of your volume of explanations) is in taking that meaning and
> making it work outside the 'tent' (the culture of astrology, of NLP, of
> acupuncture, of the Red Sox-) because, a real scientific fact is, like
> the indomitable Washburn would say, meaningful in the entire universe.
>
I think I touched on that with the comments re mathematics etc. Did you read
that? did you understand it? what did it mean to you? Did you see the
pattern of the method of analysis emerging from the neurological data? I
would like to know as this would help as feedback to help in getting my
point across.
What I am saying IS testible and so refutable and was developed outside of
the tent, the approach was more how meaning was found in the seemingly
meaningless.
The template model reduces all disciplines to being metaphors for describing
objects and relationships, samenesses and differences. It allows us to
refine these disciplines but also forces us to recognise that all meaning
comes from 'in here'.
The resonences we get with 'out there' when we use our metaphors is due to
the underlying even unconscious responses to objects/relationships and the
suggestion is that we have adapted to the environment by internalising
fundamental distinctions -- at the base level that of fermion-like
characteristics from boson-like characteristics and this has 'filtered' up
the development 'tree'.
Thus at a general level we do 'contain' out there (in the 'in here' sense as
well as contain in that our methods puts boundaries around things).
best
Chris.
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