Re: groupthink gauntlet: MacArthur's ill-fated drive toward the Yalu

From: M Lissack (lissacktravel@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu 05 Feb 2004 - 22:54:26 GMT

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    this is exactly the type of looseness that prevents serious work from being accomplished

    what is it that makes "memetics" a meme? arel's comfort with the term? her repetition of it? the repetition of it by x number of others? or x number of repetitions? are the repetitiosn to be filtered by meaning? or do the individual meanings associated with the use of the word token not important? what context did each of the repetitions occur in or is that not important?

    does meaning get fixed once x number of repetitions happens or can meaning shift?

    --- Dace <edace@earthlink.net> wrote:
    > > From: derek gatherer
    > >
    > > > Keith wrote:
    > > > Could you cite the page please? It is amusing
    > if
    > > > true because Dawkins
    > > > didn't like the word. (Though he did use the
    > phase
    > > > "population memeticist"
    > > > on page 194.)
    > >
    > >
    > > Yes, you are correct. Dawkins didn't use the
    > > adjective 'memetic' but actually the noun
    > > 'memeticist'. Since we know that one who does
    > > 'genetics' is a 'geneticist', doesn't the coinage
    > of
    > > 'memeticist' necessarily imply somebody who
    > does........?
    >
    > Nonetheless someone had to consciously made the
    > connection. When Lucas came
    > up with "memetics" as a term for describing this
    > field of study, it was a
    > simple idea. As she herself became accustomed to
    > the term, it became a
    > habitual idea. As it became habitual for many other
    > people, it gained the
    > status of "meme."
    >
    > Ted
    >
    >
    >
    >
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