From: Brad - Eufrates (brad.jensen@eufrates.com)
Date: Fri 12 Dec 2003 - 21:27:40 GMT
> I think he needs to be reminded of the context of the running 
> and maintenance of the list- on a British University server, 
> for the purpose of open, but informed discussion of memetics. 
> It's not a US chat-room intended for anybody to spout 
> whatever they like on any topic, and doing that is taking 
> unfair advantage of the spirit of open discussion of memetics 
> the list is intended to serve.
Wow, there are a lot of memes in this paragraph.
It seems to me that the burning issues of the day can stimulate 
us to consciousness of the memes that are carrying us along in their
grasp.
Personally, I'm not so much offended by anything people say, but 
I am somewhat offended by people being offended.
I've been twit-filtered myself, and someone once called me an obnoxious,
know-it-all-jerk, which was sort of soothing for everything anyone 
else has said since.
Maybe it would help for some of you more practiced memeticists 
to define or at least describe what memetics is, how you look at 
things in terms of memetics, then an example of a news story or 
current interest item analyzed along memetic principles.
I suggest you do this without mentioning any names of memetics 
pioneers or popularizers, and without pointing to texts and 
saying go read this or that. If memetics is truly and approach 
or discipline, and not just a fad or a fan club, then the principles can
be described
in the vernacular and comprehended without allegiance to or dependence
on authority.
For example, I can describe Jesus' presentation of 
Christianity without reference to scripture by saying:
You live in a larger reality than you have ever imagined, and 
you have accepted false limitations on your sense of self because 
of your loyalty to tradition or dependence on outside authority. 
Instead, reason on the fact that your nature is what you are made 
of, and you are made of the Creator. Therefore, to experience the 
world as it truly is and to know yourself as you truly are, be like God.
Nothing less can satisfy you or make you happy.
(I understand there is a religion 'about' Jesus, and they call 
that Christianity also, but it really has little relation to what he
says.)
What can we do with an understanding of memetics that we 
cannot do so well without it?
It's not like anyone freezes your eyeballs forward and makes 
you read a particular message. I think I understand what 'open' means 
but I'm a little clueless on how 'informed' can 'but' against that.
I don't mind being annoyed by the lefty lemmings who are 
sputtering Saddam sycophants; at least they aren't Texans (who we 
call 'Baja Oklahomans' during years such as this when our 
university beats their university).
I already know what I know, I am more interested in finding out 
about what I don't know, understanding that this will lead me 
into interaction with people whose values or lack of same I find 
frightening or disconcerting.
It's hard to be condescending when you live in cyberspace.
Brad Jensen
brad@elstore.com
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