From: Lawrence DeBivort (debivort@umd5.umd.edu)
Date: Tue 30 Sep 2003 - 15:40:20 GMT
Hi, Scott,
You are absolutely right about these conflicts providing a rich source for
memeticists. We have used as case studies Bosnia, Afghanistan,
Israel/Palestine, and Ireland -- each very rich and instructive. We are
thinking of opening a case study on Amazon development/tribal conflicts and
are examining the composition of the research team that would be needed.
For me personally, Latin America is terra incognita, so my own role will be
limited to that of one of the memetic technicians.
Also, I am perched here in Washington DC, and hear most of the national
political memes from friends and colleagues before they hit the newspapers,
and so can track the mutations as they go from one medium to another. This
is another very rich memetic research opportunity that we have been drawing
on for several years.
Viet Nam would be a great one. Viet Nam was a highly charged emotional event
for me, and I am not sure of my objectivity enough to tackle it. I hope
that somebody does mine it for the patterns that moved that sad part of US
history forward.
Cheers,
Lawry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Scott Chase
> Sent: Tue, September 30, 2003 11:15 AM
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: how to stop all this stuff on the list
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> >From: derek gatherer <dgatherer2002@yahoo.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >Subject: how to stop all this stuff on the list
> >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:41:06 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >I have a suggestion. If any group members want to
> >continue talking about the war, please transfer the
> >discussion to:
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CounterTerrorism-L/
> >
> >where it will be welcomed.
> >
> >Otherwise, I fear we're going to have the plug pulled
> >on all of us. permanently.
> >
> I dunno.
>
> I think the Vietnam war could be a treasure trove for someone looking for
> examples of social change in a given historic period. It happened a long
> time ago, so there should be a lot of sources that have decent analyses.
>
> We have the preceding Joe McCarthy era and the rise and spread of
> virulent
> anti-Communism notions, the "domino theory" with its origin and spread
> through the minds of policy makers, and the rise of the
> counterculture and
> peace movement to work with.
>
> Within Vietnam itself there's the rise of anti-French revolutionary
> sentiment the rise of nationalism and communism and the rise of
> ideologically driven organizations such as the Vietminh and biograpies of
> leaders such as Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap.
>
> I don't see a subject devoid of ideas (or ideologies) and their impact on
> history and people within that history. Memeticits wuld do well to apply
> their field to Vietnam (or just about any other interesting historical
> topic) as a testing ground.
>
> I don't suppose that was the war you were referring to though.
>
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