RE: Roger Scruton Weighs In

From: Scott Chase (ecphoric@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat 27 Sep 2003 - 06:27:37 GMT

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    >From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu>
    >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    >Subject: RE: Roger Scruton Weighs In
    >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:05:45 -0400
    >
    >Is Joe up to his old anti-semitic attacks and bigotries again? I thought
    >the moderators had warned him, and acted on their warnings....
    >
    Although Arabic is a Semitic language (as is Hebrew), you are distortng the meaning of the word anti-Semitic as coined. Joe hasn't expressed a hatred of Jews that I can recall. It's questionable that he's expressed an actual hatred of Arabs, just a dislike of militant or extremist forms of Islam. I agree that he has gotten unidimensional.

    Joe's anti-Islamist diatribes are passe'. Given my present interests I'd rather focus on long running and deleterious colonial French influence in Indochina and also how the US wound up seeing Uncle Ho as an intelligence and strategic asset in WWII (via the OSS) and an enemy after the Communist takeover of China and the French defeat at Dienbienphu and how this
    "blowback" (read Vietnam War) with Ho Chi Minh *slightly* parallels that we
    (via CIA intrigue) suffered from a proxy war in Afghanistan against the Commies (read the Islamic militant mujahideen, rise of Taliban and bin Laden), but this is a memetics list.
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
    > > Of joedees@bellsouth.net
    > > Sent: Fri, September 26, 2003 3:37 PM
    > > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > > Subject: RE: Roger Scruton Weighs In
    > >
    > >
    > > From: Vincent Campbell <VCampbell@dmu.ac.uk>
    > > To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'"
    > > <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    > > Subject: RE: Roger Scruton Weighs In
    > > Date sent: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:33:28 +0100
    > > Send reply to: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >
    > > > Just a bit of trivia (oh and an idea of the kinds of sources Joe
    > > > thinks is viable),
    > > >
    > > > Roger Scruton once described my field as 'sub-Marxist gobbledegook'
    > > > taught by 'talentless individuals who can't get jobs in the media.'
    > > >
    > > > More recently he got chucked off several newspapers after it turned
    > > > out he'd been given money by tobacco companies to write puff pieces
    > > > for them in his newspaper columns.
    > > >
    > > > As you can imagine I'm not too open to his views on these or other
    > > > matters.
    > > >
    > > Scruton does seem to be something of a curmudgeon, but it is only
    > > logically credible to discredit his ideas on their merits, not to ad
    > > hominem attack their author. I could not fail to notice that you did not
    > > condescend to do so as far as the article is concerned.
    > > BTW, apropos of some ad hominem thing, I guess, what are your
    > > complaints concerning Bernard Lewis, Lee Harris, Robert Kagan,
    > > Fouad Adjami, Ibn Warraq, Kenneth M. Pollack, Ronald D. Asmus,
    > > Daniel Pipes, Graham E. Fuller, Barry Rubin, Robert S. Litwak, Jeffrey
    > > Goldberg, Christopher Hitchens, Lawrence Wright, Richard W. Bulliet,
    > > Samuel P. Huntington, Robert D. Kaplan, Mark Bowden, etc., etc.?
    > > Published by such rags as FOREIGN AFFAIRS MAGAZINE, FOREIGN
    > > POLICY, POLICY REVIEW, THE WILSON QUARTERLY, THE NEW
    > > YORKER, THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY, etc.?
    > > > > ----------
    > > > > From: joedees@bellsouth.net
    > > > > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:01 AM
    > > > > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > > > > Subject: Roger Scruton Weighs In
    > > > >
    > > > > Go to:
    > > > >
    > > > > http://www.morec.com/hyperion/scruton.htm
    > > > >
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