From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Mon 08 Sep 2003 - 03:49:47 GMT
Date sent:      	Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:43:40 +1000
To:             	memetics@mmu.ac.uk
From:           	Jeremy Bradley <jeremyb@nor.com.au>
Subject:        	Re: The Text of Dubya's Terrorism Speech 
Tonight
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> At 08:47 PM 7/09/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >Go to:
> >
> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030907-1.html
> >
> Joe
> What has this propaganda got to do with memetics? Surely, if the USA
> went to war against the advice of most Nations in the civilised world,
> should they not now shoulder the burden of rectifying that rogue act
> alone? Why expect the UN to pick up the pieces now when the US, has
> killed up to 10,000 inocent Iraquis, destroyed infrastructure,
> denigrated the UN's ability to detect WMD's, told lies and even
> refused to pay their dues? When I wanted to discus the 'Might is
> Right' meme that lies at the core of US arrogance, you inflamed the
> topic so that the meme could not be rationally, and academically,
> addressed. So why should you now want to insult our intelligence with
> GW's latest BS Bulletin? Jeremy
> 
        Let's begin with your factual inaccuracies and go on from there.
        The so-called few countries in the 'civilized world', (and far less 
than half of even the European Union), France, Germany and Russia 
among them (plus the encircled Belgium), who used the UN as a cynical 
tool in order to block the liberation of twenty-plus million people, were 
acting from selfish and not globally responsible motives, considering 
that they had surreptitiously circumvented UN resolutions to sell 
weapons and weapons-producing technology to Iraq and were upset at 
seeing their fat oil contracts, which they had received in payment from a 
grateful mass-murdering dictator, lose their multibillion-dollar worth 
before their eyes with the despot's fall.  I suppose that if these nations 
decide to help with Iraq's democratic reconstruction, that they may get 
those Saddamic bribes revalidified; they certainly would not do so out of 
principles such as democracy, personal freedom and self-
determination.
        The US has killed far fewer than 10,000 civilian Iraqi 
noncombatants; in fact, the Iraq war was indeed the most 
civilian'conscious in history (followed closely by the Afghan war).  Most 
credible counts put the Afghan civilian casualties at around 3000, and 
the Iraqi casualties as much lower (this in comparison to a dictator who 
has caused the deaths of more than 2 MILLION Muslims during his rule, 
more than any other human being in history, and would have continued 
to do so ad nauseum had he not been stopped).
        The US pays about 20% of UN dues, even though there are 
190 other member countries.  It recently paid a large chunk of its 
arrears to the UN, in spite of the nakedly self-seving obstructionism of 
some of its more globally irresponsible and greedy members, and its 
bizarre policies of putting terrorist-harboring dictator-lead countries like 
Syria and Libya at the head of important disarmament and human rights 
committees.
        Infrastructure?  The vast majority of it was left standing by the 
US action, which did NOT resort to heavy bombing, but rather utilized 
precision smart bomb strikes against command posts and troop 
concentrations as an adjunct to a ground war that should have forever 
dispelled the Al Quaeda myth that the US was a cowardly paper tiger 
that would turn tail and run in the face of casualties (although that myth 
was already pretty much already destroyed in Afghanistan).  The only 
reason that the infrastructure is not completely functional now (and it 
operated badly under Saddam, but no one dared complain THEN, did 
they?) is as a result of Baathist holdouts and Al Quaeda jihadists 
continuously attempting to sabotage it as a means to obstruct the 
democratic reconstruction of Iraq, a process that is making great strides 
in the Kurdish north and the Shiite south and is only facing a degree of 
difficulty in the Sunni triangle which forms Saddam's power base.
        As far as lies go, the info. that Dubya's famous 'sixteen words' 
was based upon came from British intelligence, and he did not assert 
that Saddam had SUCCEEDED in obtaining fissionable uranium from 
some African countries; merely that Saddam had SOUGHT it there - a 
charge that is almost certainly true.
        WMD's?  There is credible evidence that, following Russian 
advice, Saddam moved some of his WMD's to a burial location in the 
Lebanese bekaa valley and destroyed others.  There is also the 
evidence of the gas centrifuge pieces found buried in an Iraqi  nuclear 
scientist's rose garden, and his testimony that he had been told, by 
Qusay Hussein (one of Saddam's late sons) to hide them there until the 
heat was off, at which time they would be unearthed and used to purify 
fissionable uranium for use in building nuclear weapons.  And what 
would the purpose of these weapons be?  To allow Saddam to threaten 
any nation that dared to try to expel him once he completed his next 
planned move to take over the Saudi Peninsula (Kuwait was only his 
first objective in 1990), and then he could perpetrate global blackmail 
by strangulating the world's oil supply.  And he would not need long-
range missiles in order to effect such an attack, merely need to smuggle 
those weapons inside the borders of his target country and have them 
detonated onsite by either his own operatives or members of terror 
groups (the same thing he had been doing for years by paying 10K per 
suicide bomber to their families, only writ large).
        Now, the question is, why would you, with an obvious lack of 
knowledge and study of the relevant issues, make such egregious and 
demostrably false claims?  I think that it is as a result of unreasoning 
hate.  In other words, I believe that it is because you have been infected 
with the "Dubya is the Antichrist" meme, and quite irrationally view him 
as worse than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao combined, and even 
worse than the Al Quaedans, who OPENLY wish to destroy all 
freedoms of religion, thought, action and choice, and annihilate all 
traces of democracy from the entire world, replacing all these with a 
repressive global theocratic islamofascist Ummah run according to 
sharia law.
        Let me be clear about this; I am no Dubya-lover.  I consider his 
borrow-and-spend fiscal policies to be as economically undermining as 
the democrats' borrow-and-spend policies (at leat Clinton realized that 
even the federal credit card would have to be eventually paid).  I also 
am distressed by his undermining of church-state separation, as 
evinced by his support for religious school vouchers, federal support for 
faith-based initiatives, and opposition to abortion (none of which have 
passed into law).  However, I agree with his pursuing the terror plotters 
to their bases so we have less of a chance of once again seeing them 
wreak their carnage on our streets.  Iraq is serving as an Al Quaeda 
flypaper (although it couldn't function as such without their 
cooperation).  Let the jihadists journey to Tikrit and fight armed and 
alert US troops, rather than journey to the US and massacre unarmed 
and clueless civilians on local streets.  I do not see a single Democratic 
candidate that 'gets' this, so, for the first time since I was 18 (I am 47), I 
may have to sit the next presidential election out (and no, I have 
NEVER voted for a Republican in a presidential election).
        Or perhaps it is because you are infected with the "David and 
Goliath" meme, and cannot wrap your mind around the concept that 
sometimes might and right can indeed occasionally coincide (as ended 
up happening in WW II).
        (Scratching my head and shaking it sadly all at the same 
time)...
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