Re: What about this?

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 10 Aug 2003 - 18:57:27 GMT

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    From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: What about this? Date sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:42:46 -0400 Send reply to: memetics@mmu.ac.uk

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    > >From: joedees@bellsouth.net
    > >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >Subject: Re: What about this?
    > >Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:21:47 -0500
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    > >From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com>
    > >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >Subject: Re: What about this?
    > >Date sent: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:19:36 -0400
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    > > > >From: joedees@bellsouth.net
    > > > >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > > > >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > > > >Subject: What about this?
    > > > >Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:44:21 -0500
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    > > > >The cognitive meme is a template from which the multiple
    > > > >behavioral manifestations communicating it are minted; these
    > > > >behaviors then impress thamselves upon observing minds, creating
    > > > >more templates.
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    > > > An artifact or an overt behavior could act as a template from
    > > > which indivuduals bringing different life histories into the mix
    > > > could derive differing ideas. The same external template creates
    > > > different impressions across individuals.
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    > >Yes, but they share familial similarities as tokens of an overarching
    > >type.
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    > OK, maybe we are looking at two sides of the same coin (yes that was
    > terrible) :-)
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    > How well would the type-token distinction apply to claasification or
    > phylogenetics, both from the perspective of a natural system that
    > truly reflects what's "out there" and an artificial ("in there")
    > system as reflecting the categories humans use to impose order on a
    > diverse array of species?
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    > People tend to see species as tokens of types (ie- instanes of general
    > categories), but is this the way thingss actually evolved, as
    > organisms that are members of higher level groups with contingent
    > histories due to isolation in deep time and separate pathways to the
    > present? Phyla didn't just magically drop from the sky, but they must
    > have some status in the natural system that goes beyond subjective
    > abstractions within an observer's head.
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            Just as in cladistics, what is a type subserving many tokens may also itself be a token of a more general type. Feline is a type subserving many breeds of cats, but is a token, along with canine, bovine, etc. of the type mammal. Thus there is a stacking phenomenon that occurs.
            When infants first learn language, they tend to first learn the middle range of concrete particulars, then learn the more discriminating and more general terms. Thus, cat and dog are learned before animal
    (more general), siamese, persian, poodle, terrier (more discriminating), etc.
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