From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 12 Jun 2003 - 17:26:36 GMT
From: "Van oost Kenneth"
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To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: birthdays
Date sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:11:33 +0200
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> > Knowing = being able to remember. If you cannot remember something
> > any more, you no longer know it; you have forgotten it.
>
> Joe,
>
> I have to agree on this one, I am sure, but IMO the fact remains that
> despite a lot of facts, the truth about what memory is and what
> memories really are is far from proven. Reality, whatever that is, is
> not in the benefit of memory. Memory fails us, more often and it does
> induce memories which we rather get rid off than we wish to be
> remerbered by.
>
> Memory needs associations, not remerbering what you did on 31/ 08/
> 1997 is not a shame, but you will remerber suddenly certain things,
> better, if one told you it was the day that Princess Diana died. The
> same can be said about your birthday though_ you smell a certain sent
> and suddenly you are being dragged towards a special gift, a surprise-
> party...
>
> But, Gary Lynch for one, argues in a program on Dutch television that,
> if we ever will find out how the brain works and what thus the mind
> will be, the mind will be defined on a completely different
> template.." we know nothing ", he says_ and I do have to concur with
> this statement. Memory must coincide with reality. If you do make your
> own story about things that happened you get into trouble_ some
> pictures have to coincide with what is commonly known. The same can be
> said about memory and memories itself/ them- selves.
>
> Memory as such and like it is, is part of science nowadays_ we all
> agree on that and on its existence, but is also a story that we hold
> up to ease the social intercourse. We agree on the fact that there is
> memory for we ought to function within society, depending on it ! Only
> the future will tell, if thus memory itself and as such and as like it
> is exist or not, or that it is just yet another part of Plato's
> IdeasWorld !?
>
> And, to conclure, the fact that you do, can remerber your birthday at
> will, can be explained by Wade's scheme. It is the very fact of the
> 1000 and 1000 associations that makes that birth- day is constantly "
> in your mind ". Nothing, in a way excludes its presence. It is the
> vast fact of the 1000 and 1000 venue- inducements that explains the
> continuance of the fact ' birthday ', like it is experienced as in
> memory. The constant bombardment by numerous venue- inducements of all
> kinds makes that we experience those as " memories "...
>
> Venues persist in the making of as many performances as possible so
> that performances can be ' performed ' . Remerbering your birthday is
> just one performance that the cultural venue needs for its ' evolution
> '_ in order to mutate, and to be selected by it needs observable
> aspects as much as it possibly can induce, to encourage ' expected '
> performances...that is here remerbering your birthday.
>
> Regards,
>
What makes one's birthdate cognitively 'ready-to-hand' is nothing more
nor less than the fact that it is part of one's self-concept and self-
identity, just like one's name and birthtown are.
>
> Kenneth
>
>
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